Doug Zarkin of Driven Brands Inc.: Optimizing Customer connections with Pearle Vision & VIctoria’s Secret

In this episode of "CMO Weekly," host Hayley Clover interviews Doug Zarkin, Chief Brand Officer at Driven Brands Inc. Previously, Zarkin led the rebrand of Pearl Vision, transforming it from a discount optical chain into a "care-first, customer-loved brand" that became a Harvard Business School case study. He also contributed to the success of Victoria's Secret Pink and authored the book "Moving Your Brand Out of the Friend Zone," which focuses on creating emotional connections between people and brands.Zarkin discusses his career journey, from starting in the agency world at Grey advertising, where he worked on brands like Reebok and CoverGirl, to moving in-house with Avon products. He then transitioned to the fashion industry, leading marketing for Victoria's Secret Pink, before revitalizing Pearl Vision.A core theme of the discussion is "thinking human marketing," which Zarkin defines as treating every customer as if they are the only customer a business has. He emphasizes that this philosophy should originate from the C-suite and be embodied by frontline associates, transforming customer service into customer relationship management. Zarkin highlights the importance of empathy and prioritizing existing customers, noting that retaining a customer is significantly less expensive than acquiring a new one.Zarkin also talks about the importance of community in branding, drawing on his experiences with Avon's Mark brand and Victoria's Secret Pink, both of which prioritized building strong communities with their consumers. He advocates for making customer reviews and ratings a key performance indicator (KPI) to optimize customer interactions and leverage word-of-mouth as a powerful marketing tool.The conversation touches on the balance between data and creativity in marketing. Zarkin advises marketers to understand their business deeply, be curious and vulnerable, and "train their guts" to make effective decisions. He shares a pivotal moment in his career at Pearl Vision, where intellectual honesty from franchisees helped him understand the brand's true strengths and weaknesses, leading to significant growth and recognition for quality of care.Towards the end of the episode, Zarkin offers rapid-fire marketing insights. He expresses his admiration for Salonpas patches as a personal favorite brand. He recalls the "Meet Mark" campaign for Avon's Mark brand, developed with Wieden+Kennedy, as a career highlight. Zarkin asserts that a "blind influencer strategy" is outdated, as it misses the broader storytelling aspect of influencer marketing. Finally, he shares the best marketing advice he ever received: "If everybody's thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking". He encourages thinking "inside the box" first by rearranging existing tools before seeking new ones.The episode is brought to you by Open Fortune, a sponsor that integrates ads into fortune cookies distributed globally.#marketing #cmoweekly #podcastinterview

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