E45 The Psychology of Control: Werner Erhard, L. Ron Hubbard & High-Control Leadership w/ Jon Atack

In Part Two of this in-depth conversation, Anne continues her dialogue with influence expert and author Jon Atack, diving deeper into the psychology of coercive influence and the nature of high-control groups.Drawing from their personal experiences with Landmark Worldwide (Anne) and Scientology (Jon), they examine the striking similarities and differences between Werner Erhard and L. Ron Hubbard—two infamous leaders whose methods shaped entire movements.Key topics include:** How authoritarian leaders build loyalty and dependency** The role of weaponized empathy and persuasion in manipulation** Why certain personality types are drawn to cults** The erasure of founders in organizations** The concept of “Source” and its impact on followers** The importance of education and critical thinking in resisting undue influence** What ethical practice should look like in coaching and personal developmentThis episode continues to highlight the urgent need for transparency, ethics, and accountability in self-help, coaching, and transformational industries.If you’re interested in cult awareness, critical thinking, and protecting the integrity of personal growth work, this is a must-listen conversation.📖 About Jon Atack: Jon is a leading expert on undue influence and author of Opening Our Minds: Avoiding Abusive Relationships and Authoritarian groups, and has spent decades educating on the dangers of authoritarian groups and coercive control.00:00 Understanding Authoritarianism and Cult Dynamics01:50 The Role of Personal Experience in Cult Recovery04:40 The Influence of Ron Hubbard's Background08:40 The Nature of Leadership in Cults15:20 Impeccability and Control in Landmark Forum20:17 Exploring Personality Types in Cults23:24 Alcoholism and Leadership in Cults25:16 The Influence of Leaders on Followers27:32 The Erasure of Founders in Organizations29:46 The Concept of 'Source' in Cults32:04 Weaponized Empathy and Manipulation35:29 Education and Critical Thinking41:32 The Role of Personal Experience in Learning43:51 Understanding Manipulation and Persuasion48:54 Reflections on the ConversationRESOURCES & LINKS: Check out Jon Atack Family & Friends    / @jonatackfamilyfriends6176   or Apple Podcast https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Spotify https://open.spotify.com/show/1HxLYQi... Read Anne’s Book Is This A Cult: Confronting the Line Between Exploitation and Transformation and find other pods and resources → https://isthisacultbook.com/ If you or someone you know is wrestling with recovery after being involved in a high-control group, relationship or any organization, check out the Healthy Healing and Recovery Group w/ Rachel Bernstein https://ilumn8.life/op/lgat-recovery-... MODERATION NOTE: While healthy debate and discussion regarding the topics being discussed is encouraged, personal (ad hominem) attacks on people, places or things will be deleted. FINALLY Please consider supporting this channel which helps us to offer more and better content and resources such as the healing group w/ Rachel. Contributing also supports the learning and healing needs of folks, no matter their ability to pay, who are waking up to and leaving high demand and cult(ish) groups. Learn what you can do HERE. https://ilumn8.givingfuel.com/ilumn8g...

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