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Consider This from NPR

How Trump's foreign policy is reshaping the world order

04 Mar 2025

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After the Trump-Zelenskyy blow-up on Friday, European leaders held emergency talks in London to put together a roadmap to peace. Then, on Tuesday, European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen announced a proposal called ReArm Europe. The roughly $840 billion plan would quickly build up defense budgets in Europe. Meanwhile, the U.S. seems to continue to align itself with Russia. President Trump is upending the U.S.-led order that has dominated global politics for the better part of a century. What does that mean for Ukraine – and for America? For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Email us at [email protected] more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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0.973 - 8.575 Ari Shapiro

Vladimir Putin's tenure as president of Russia is now measured in decades, not just years. That means he can play the long game.

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8.815 - 13.276 Nina Khrushcheva

He waits. He's very carefully waiting for things to break down.

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13.536 - 26.763 Ari Shapiro

That's Nina Khrushcheva, a professor of international affairs at the New School, also the great-granddaughter of Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev. And sure enough, Putin got exactly the sort of breakdown he was waiting for on Friday.

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26.903 - 29.145 Donald Trump

Your country is in big trouble. I know.

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29.405 - 36.271 Ari Shapiro

At that Oval Office meeting between U.S. President Donald Trump, Vice President J.D. Vance and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

36.471 - 41.453 Donald Trump

If you didn't have our military equipment, this war would have been over in two weeks.

41.553 - 42.274 Ari Shapiro

In three days.

42.354 - 50.197 Donald Trump

I heard it from Putin. In three days. Maybe less. In two weeks. Of course, yes. It's going to be a very hard thing to do business like this.

50.397 - 67.479 Nina Khrushcheva

Cromden didn't even have to do anything this time around. And the West is being suddenly ripped apart. And Zelensky, the Kremlin obviously doesn't like and thinks an enemy, is being berated by the United States, by Donald Trump, who the Kremlin does like.

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