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Consider This from NPR

Is there a deal to end Russia's war with Ukraine?

26 Feb 2025

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On Friday, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is scheduled to meet President Donald Trump at the White House.On the agenda — a deal for Ukraine to share its rich natural resources. The Trump administration wants hundreds of billions of dollars of rare earth metals and other critical minerals. Details are thin on what exactly Ukraine would get in exchange. The meeting comes as the world marks three years since Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, and as Trump promises to bring an end to the war.But bringing an end to the war may not be so simple argues Alexander Vindman.The Ukrainian-born Vindman was the White House staffer and active duty Army officer, who testified against Trump during his first impeachment trial in 2019.Trump fired Vindman not long after. For sponsor-free episodes of Consider This, sign up for Consider This+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org.Email us at [email protected]. Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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0.438 - 5.282 President Donald Trump

But I think it's to the very much benefit of Russia to make a deal.

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5.582 - 17.951 Mary Louise Kelly

The deal President Trump is talking about is a deal to end its war with Ukraine. What ultimately becomes of Ukraine, though, may depend on the compromises it's willing to make with the United States.

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18.311 - 23.996 President Donald Trump

We'll be really partnering with Ukraine in terms of rare earth. We very much need rare earth.

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24.336 - 28.119 Mary Louise Kelly

The president has his eye on Ukraine's rich natural resources.

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28.419 - 32.741 President Donald Trump

We don't have that much of it here. We have some, but we don't have that much, and we need a lot more.

33.201 - 49.888 Mary Louise Kelly

The Trump administration wants hundreds of billions of dollars of rare earth metals and other critical minerals. Details are thin on what exactly Ukraine would get in exchange. After back and forth, it looks like there's a preliminary deal. Trump spoke Wednesday at the White House.

50.455 - 62.464 President Donald Trump

But we've been able to make a deal where we're going to get our money back and we're going to get a lot of money in the future. And I think that's appropriate because we have taxpayers that are Shouldn't be footing the bill.

62.844 - 86.716 Mary Louise Kelly

But will a deal between the U.S. and Ukraine bring about an end to the grinding conflict between Ukraine and Russia? Consider this. It's been three years since Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Coming up, we'll hear from Alexander Vindman, who knows both Ukraine and the Trump White House intimately, and who says that ending the war will not be so simple.

87.116 - 94.379 Alexander Vindman

You're not going to find much of a compromise when both sides feel like they're on the cusp of winning or holding out or breaking the other side.

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