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Criminal

A Land Without Law

Fri, 04 Oct 2024

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Before Guantánamo Bay became the prison we know today, Marie Genard spent more than a year of her life there. She was 14. Brandt Goldstein’s book is Storming the Court: How a Band of Law Students Fought the President—and Won. Say hello on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram and TikTok. Sign up for our occasional newsletter, The Accomplice. Follow the show and review us on Apple Podcasts. Sign up for Criminal Plus to get behind-the-scenes bonus episodes of Criminal, ad-free listening of all of our shows, special merch deals, and more.  We also make This is Love and Phoebe Reads a Mystery. Artwork by Julienne Alexander. Check out our online shop. Episode transcripts are posted on our website. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0.59 - 35.6 Harold Koh

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64.298 - 69.54 Harold Koh

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71.041 - 87.193 Brene Brown

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87.834 - 97.882 Brene Brown

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101.334 - 103.098 Harold Koh

Please use discretion. Tell me about your father.

113.356 - 141.428 Marie Jeannard

Well, his name was Antoine Francois. But the funny thing is, because in Haiti, people always have nicknames. So for the longest, we thought our dad's name was Louis Neis. But he goes by the name of Francique. He was strict. He was very, very strict. My only job, my dad would tell me, your only duty is to go to school.

142.751 - 147.854 Harold Koh

Marie Chouinard's father grew up in the Dominican Republic. He moved to Haiti as a teenager.

148.535 - 174.019 Marie Jeannard

Then he met Marie's mother. I didn't know my mom very well. She left me when I was three months old. My grandmother and my dad would tell me. My stepmom didn't have kids until I was about 10 years old, give or take, so... I was the only kids around for a long time, and my grandma pretty much raised me with my dad.

174.941 - 192.707 Harold Koh

When she was growing up, the president of Haiti was Jean-Claude Duvalier. He'd been president Marie's whole life. He became president at age 19 when his father, Francois Duvalier, who people called Papa Doc, died. People called him Baby Doc.

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