Dev and Doc: AI For Healthcare Podcast
#22 Explaining Explainable AI (for healthcare) with Dr Annabelle Painter (RSM digital health section Podcast)
15 Aug 2024
Dev and Doc is joined by guest Annabelle Painter, doctor, CMO, and podcaster for the Royal Society of Medicine Digital Health Podcast. We deep dive into explainability and interpretability with concrete healthcare examples. Check out Dr. Painter's Podcast here, she has some amazing guests and great insights into AI in healthcare! - https://spotify.link/pzSgxmpD5yb π Hey! If you are enjoying our conversations, reach out, share your thoughts and journey with us. Don't forget to subscribe whilst you're here :) π¨π»ββοΈ Doc - Dr. Joshua Au Yeung - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-joshua-auyeung/ π€ Dev - Zeljko Kraljevic - https://twitter.com/zeljkokr LinkedIn Newsletter YouTube Channel Spotify Apple Podcasts Substack For enquiries - π§ [email protected] ποΈ Editor - Dragan KraljeviΔ - https://www.instagram.com/dragan_kraljevic/ π¨ Brand design and art direction - Ana Grigorovici - https://www.behance.net/anagrigorovici027d Timestamps: 00:00 - Start + highlights 03:47 - Intro 08:16 - Does all AI in healthcare need to be explainable? 15:56 - History and explanation of Explainable/Interpretable AI 20:43 - Gradient-based saliency and heat maps 24:14 - LIME - Local Interpretable Model-agnostic Explanations 30:09 - Nonsensical correlations - When explainability goes wrong 33:57 - Modern explainability - Anthropic 37:15 - Comparing LLMs with the human brain 40:02 - Clinician-AI interaction 47:11 - Where is this all going? Aligning models to ground truth and teaching them to say "I don't know" References: Fun Examples of when models go wrong - Nonsensical correlations Mechanistic interpretability Anthropic - Mapping the mind of language models Limitations of current AI explainability approaches Explainability does not improve automation bias in radiologists
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