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Engines of Creation | Podcast on Complexity and Innovation with Christian Mastrodonato

#25 | On Bitcoins and Rethinking Value, Money, and Community: An Exploration with Benjamin De Waal

07 Oct 2025

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In this captivating episode of Engines of Creation, we are joined by Benjamin De Waal, an eclectic thinker and expert in Bitcoin, who shares his unique journey from software development to exploring the complexities of money and value. Originally from New Zealand, Ben's diverse background includes interests in political systems, linguistics, and even private investigation, which he believes enriches his understanding of the world. We embark on an enlightening discussion about Bitcoin, examining its properties as a form of money and what makes it superior to traditional fiat currencies and precious metals like gold. Ben breaks down the essential characteristics of effective money, such as fungibility, verifiability, portability, and scarcity, while emphasizing Bitcoin's fixed supply and decentralized nature. The conversation delves into the philosophical underpinnings of value, exploring how societal narratives shape our understanding of worth. Ben argues that Bitcoin not only facilitates a more equitable exchange of value but also fosters a society with less hierarchy and greater autonomy. He presents examples of Bitcoin-driven communities across the globe that are embracing this new form of money to create alternative economic systems. As we explore the technical aspects of Bitcoin mining and the Lightning Network, Ben provides insights into the future of transactions within the Bitcoin ecosystem. He also addresses the broader implications of Bitcoin for society, advocating for a decentralized approach that empowers individuals and communities. Join us for a thought-provoking conversation that challenges conventional notions of money, governance, and societal structures, while inspiring listeners to consider the transformative potential of Bitcoin and decentralized systems. 1. Introduction to Benjamin De Waal and his diverse background 2. Understanding Bitcoin and its properties as money 3. The philosophical implications of value and societal narratives 4. Bitcoin communities and alternative economic systems 5. Technical overview of Bitcoin mining and the Lightning Network 6. The future of transactions and decentralized governance 7. Conclusion and reflections on leadership and complexity

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