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A Family Forged By Haiti's Coup

20 Feb 2025

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Rich Benjamin's grandfather, Daniel Fignolé, was a popular Haitian labor leader who became Haiti's president in 1957. After just 19 days in office, he was overthrown by a military coup, and was sent to the U.S. His 13 year-old daughter (Benjamin's mother) was taken by soldiers and sexually assaulted. She was eventually reunited with her parents in America, where they were refugees. Rich Benjamin talks with Terry Gross about his family's history and resilience. His memoir is Talk to Me.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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0.869 - 22.896 Terry Gross

This is Fresh Air. I'm Terry Gross. One night, when my guest Rich Benjamin's mother was staying over at his Brooklyn apartment, he awoke to her screaming, Please don't kill me! Please don't kill me! She was having a nightmare. Here's the backstory. Her father, Rich Benjamin's grandfather, was appointed president of Haiti by a temporary government in 1957.

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23.436 - 48.447 Terry Gross

But 19 days after taking office, he was overthrown by a military coup. Soldiers with submachine guns stormed into a cabinet meeting, took him away, and gave him a letter of resignation to sign. His wife was also kidnapped by soldiers. They were both ejected and sent to the U.S. Soldiers also came for the president's children, including Benjamin's mother, who was 13 at the time.

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49.087 - 67.384 Terry Gross

The children were taken to barracks where his mother was raped. She never got over the terror of that day. Through her aunt's negotiations with the military government, she was able to get out of confinement and go to New York, where she was reunited with her parents. The family never really talked about the coup and the trauma.

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67.785 - 90.926 Terry Gross

It wasn't until Benjamin went to Haiti to help after the 2010 earthquake that he decided to do some research to better understand his family and himself. As part of his research, he sued the U.S. State Department to get access to classified documents, which revealed the U.S. played a role in the coup. His new memoir is called Talk to Me, Lessons from a Family Forged by History.

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91.747 - 117.545 Terry Gross

It's also about being black, the son of immigrants, and gay. He says he's enjoyed advantage and endured exclusion. Benjamin's first book, published in 2009, is called Searching for Whitetopia, An Improbable Journey to the Heart of White America. Rich Benjamin, welcome to Fresh Air. What did you learn about the Eisenhower administration's role in overthrowing your grandfather's presidency?

118.946 - 145.57 Rich Benjamin

Terry, first of all, it's great to be here. It's great to have you. Thank you. Thank you. What I learned in writing this book is that executives of American corporations after my grandfather assumed Haiti's presidency called the White House directly to ask them to intervene. In those phone conversations, they called him a rabble-rouser. They said he wasn't fit to be president.

146.07 - 171.803 Rich Benjamin

And I think a lot of their gripe was he had been a labor leader on the ground. And also, what was fascinating is looking at the national security meeting held at 8 a.m. in the White House the day after my grandfather was inaugurated. Eisenhower was there. Dulles, the head of the CIA, was there. The other Dulles, his brother, who was Secretary of State, was there.

172.984 - 178.469 Rich Benjamin

All of the national security team was, and they discussed what to do about this predicament.

180.17 - 191.06 Terry Gross

So you said your grandfather was a labor leader, but he was more than just a labor leader. He was very popular, very charismatic, and was able to organize mass protests.

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