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Best Of: Inside The Pronatalist Movement / Making Sense Of Trauma

03 May 2025

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We're diving into the resurgence of the pronatalism movement, the belief that having more babies will save a failing civilization. With new Trump-backed policies promising "baby bonuses" and even a "National Medal of Motherhood," pronatalists are warning that falling U.S. birth rates could mean economic collapse, or even extinction. Sociologist Dr. Karen Guzzo and NPR reporter Lisa Hagen join us to unpack the motivations behind this growing movement.Also, we'll talk with author Daria Burke. She spent several years digging into the science of how our brains and bodies carry the imprint of early experiences. She wanted to understand the trauma of her childhood. Plus, Justin Chang reviews the new Cronenberg thriller The Shrouds.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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21.872 - 44.221 Tanya Mosley

From WHYY in Philadelphia, this is Fresh Air Weekend. I'm Tanya Mosley. Today, we're diving into the resurgence of the pro-natalism movement, the belief that having more babies will save a failing civilization. From new Trump-backed policies that promise baby bonuses and even a national medal of motherhood, pro-natalists are warning that falling U.S.

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44.281 - 65.989 Tanya Mosley

birth rates could mean economic collapse or even extinction. Sociologist Dr. Karen Guzzo and NPR reporter Lisa Hagen join us to unpack the motivations behind this growing movement. Also, we'll talk with author Daria Burke. She spent several years digging into the science of how our brains and bodies carry the imprint of early experiences.

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66.63 - 87.49 Tanya Mosley

She wanted to understand the trauma she lived through growing up in 1980s Detroit with a mother who battled addiction. She suffered years of neglect before finding stability through school and rising in the corporate world. Plus, Justin Chang reviews the new Cronenberg thriller, The Shrouds. That's coming up on Fresh Air Weekend.

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162.506 - 189.383 Tanya Mosley

This is Fresh Air Weekend. I'm Tanya Mosley. Have more babies or civilization dies. That's the rallying cry behind a once fringe ideology that has made its way into the mainstream. Pro-natalism has been in the news lately, with Trump policies underway to increase birth rates by giving away a $5,000 baby bonus for parents and a National Medal of Motherhood for moms who have six or more children.

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