Why Your Relationship to Life is the Most Powerful Healing Tool with Matt + Joy Kahn | EP 91

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Alyssa Nobriga 0:51
welcome back to the healing and human potential podcast where today we're exploring what it really takes to heal mentally emotionally and spiritually we're talking about the power of forgiveness and acceptance and the deeper guidance that helps us move from insight into lasting change joining us are matt and joy khan spiritual teachers and channels known for their grounded wisdom and heart-led guidance make sure to stay to the end so you can hear their channeled predictions on what's unfolding in the world right now and how to understand ai through a spiritual lens

How can we transform our relationship with ourselves?

Alyssa Nobriga 1:20
So we actually have already started diving into the conversation, which is so juicy, and I'm so happy to have you guys here, which I know this is just gonna sprout in so many beautiful ways, as it already is. And I wanted to start the conversation talking about something you guys say, that life is not here to give you what you want, it's here to wake you up. I love this. I agree with this. Talk to us about how you see this perspective.
Matt Kahn 1:41
If I reflect on my life, I can think of all the times in my life where I wanted something, I imagined, Only once I have this will I be okay. And then of course, you know, as you evolve, you realize the things I want are symbols of what I really wish I could feel within myself. We both have gone through our own unique awakenings, but as I've gone through my life, what I've realized is that life has always given me what I've needed to wake up out of the hypnosis of my commitment to a certain belief system. And it's on the other side of that where I actually feel better than I thought I was gonna feel had I gotten what I wanted. And I say that as someone who's gotten a lot of things I wanted. I've got a lot of things I didn't want.
Matt Kahn 2:28
And I was mesmerized by getting what I want and then not changing how I feel. And I think that fundamentally what it's helped me realize is that whether I'm getting what I want or whether I'm getting what I don't want, or whether I'm even having that conversation with really doesn't kind of exist as much anymore, is that I'm always gaining relationship. I'm always in a relationship with myself. And it has caused me to perceive reality as a relationship. And I think that as we as human beings, I'd love to hear what Joy's going to add to this, but I think what we realize is that life itself is a relationship, that the conclusions we draw are fantasies, and yet the relationships we build within our fantasies is what's real.
Joy Kahn 3:18
And I was just thinking, as you were saying that, you know, thinking about desire and how desire is really more of a tool to move us towards the awakening that brings us to the life we love, whether we have the outcome or not, then it starts to become easier to get to that place of, oh, I see that my life is better because I allowed this desire to move me on the path of discovery of finding out who I am and what it is that I really want underneath. Like you were speaking to most of the time we want peace, right? We want ease. We want love. We want connection. We want to be seen. We want all of those characteristics that are found in relationship. And so if we allow desire to be the thing that moves us towards the deeper relationships that we want, then we can have what we want and ultimately fulfill all of those dreams and then have, you know, whatever the things are and enjoy that too.

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