America is a deeply spiritual nation. Over 70% of us say that we feel spiritual in some way. But – at the same time – we're getting less religious. So for people who are spiritual-but-not-religious – what's replacing organized religion? What do they believe – and where does that show up in their day-to-day lives? In Brittany's series called Losing My Religion, It's Been a Minute is going to find out. In her final episode of the series, Brittany is investigating so-called manifestation. It's this popular belief that if you want something badly enough, it'll come to you. You might know this idea by other names, like The Law of Attraction, or The Secret. Manifestation spiked in 2020, according to Google Trends, and it's still riding that wave online. Brittany calls on Tara Isabella Burton, an author and journalist, and New York Magazine's Rebecca Jennings to get to the bottom of this trend: the appeal of manifestation, its symbiotic relationship with the internet, and why it might make us less aware of our humanity.Want to get to know Brittany? Follow her at @bmluse on socials.Support public media and receive ad-free listening & bonus content. Join NPR+ today.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy
Chapter 1: Who is exploring the rise of spirituality in America?
Hello, hello. I'm Brittany Luce and you're listening to It's Been a Minute from NPR, a show about what's going on in culture and why it doesn't happen by accident. America is a deeply spiritual nation. Over 70% of us say that we feel spiritual in some way, but at the same time, we're also getting less religious.
When asked to check a box next to their religious affiliation, 28% of Americans check the box labeled none. The nuns, as they're sometimes called, are now the biggest religious group in the United States. And 22% identify as spiritual, but not religious, otherwise known as SBNRs. But for SBNRs, what's replacing organized religion? What do they believe?
And where does that belief show up in all our lives? For our final episode of our series, Losing My Religion, we're going to find out. Today, we're getting into manifesting. In case you don't know, manifesting is the idea that if you want something badly enough, it'll come to you. You might know this idea by other names, like the law of attraction or the secret.
Chapter 2: What is manifestation and why has it surged since 2020?
But interest in the latest iteration, manifestation, really spiked in 2020, according to Google Trends. And it's still riding that wave. And while manifestation is not always religious, it's often spiritual.
You can make it happen by getting in touch with the inner workings of the universe, the divine energy, the force. There's a lot of different language that people use for it.
That's author and journalist Tara Isabella Burton. I sat down with her and New York Magazine features writer, Rebecca Jennings. Thanks for having us. To talk about the appeal of manifestation, how it's actually built into the internet, and why it might make us less aware of our humanity. And you know what? You're going to love this conversation. I know, because I'm manifesting it.
Let's get right into it. What do people get out of manifestation as a spiritual practice?
I mean, I personally saw it pop up on a ton of my feeds, you know, pretty much every time I scrolled really at the beginning of 2020, at the beginning of the pandemic. And to me, what I saw a lot of was people searching for an element of control over what was going to happen to them when everything felt really chaotic and confusing.
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Chapter 3: How does manifestation appear on social media platforms like TikTok?
And so not only will this good thing happen, but you can also predict the future. Like you can know what your future will be just by manifesting it. And I think, yeah, you can get health or wealth or love or whatever. But you can also get some certainty.
I definitely see why that would be appealing to some people. So what does manifesting content look like online?
I was seeing it largely on TikTok and I see so many manifesting TikToks about like, use this sound and he will text you back in 10 minutes.
He will be mine. He doesn't have a choice.
I've gotten those sometimes. I'm like, will he? He's sitting right next to me.
And the comments are all like, oh my God, it worked. And I'm like, you know what? Maybe. No, I mean, that was a really popular way. It was a lot of, we're going to set a video at a certain frequency. You know, this is the quote unquote love frequency. And if you use this, you're attracting love. Comment, I claim to claim this energy and it will happen for you or save this sound and it will happen.
And I think Two or three years later, you saw yet another rebranding of manifesting in the form of what was called lucky girl syndrome.
I get everything I want because that's just the way it is. Things are always working out in my favor. I am so lucky.
And it was basically like, you can use these mantras as well, and therefore you will be a lucky girl too. It is this idea that like through the internet, through what we're posting, we can, you know, have some material effects in the world.
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Chapter 4: Is manifestation content on social media just a form of engagement farming?
In a weird way, something that the internet and the attention economy have done to these sort of semi-spiritual phenomena like manifesting is that they kind of make them work, which is to say a life that is largely lived on an algorithmically driven internet that functions on the attention economy is a life where reality is fungible because what you see is what you want to see.
And if you like seeing something, you're going to see more of it. The world that you're looking at on your screen literally shapes itself in accordance to your desire. And so, you know, manifesting is true on the Internet, whether or not it's true offline. But algorithmic logic can shape what we think to be true when it comes to the news.
It shapes what we think to be true when it comes to our response to the scientific establishment, whether we trust it or not. The reality we see online does in fact shape the reality that we build offline. And to the extent that someone can capture the attention economy or hijack the attention economy and make a reality appear to us.
In that realm, it will, in fact, have real political effects, real economic effects. And so that doesn't mean I think manifesting is real, but I think that the internet and manifesting do exist in this kind of symbiotic relationship where the more time we spend plugged into the internet, the more it becomes kind of a little bit true that...
If you want something badly enough, you can, in fact, shape reality. Reality is something that can be shaped with desire.
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Chapter 5: How does the internet shape the modern understanding of manifestation?
Yeah. It's also like we all have our own, like, facts about the way the world works. Like, people can't agree on base facts anymore. And I think that's also part of this. Like, so much of this has come out of a climate where people are so terrified that they're going to be the victim of violent crime despite every piece of data showing that violent crime has, like, literally never been lower.
It's approaching a 50-year low. Yeah.
the same kind of misinformation. It really plays into this idea that like you do create your own reality because in some ways you actually do.
Yeah, like you said, it's maybe not something that's working in the abstract. It's not like the manifestation that's doing it, but perhaps the attention that you've harnessed and the people that you've gotten to kind of like buy into your thing, whatever it is. You know,
Manifestation, I think that there is on some level for some people like a desire to want to believe in something, especially when you consider that more and more young people are growing up without religion. They still might be looking for the feeling that something out there wants the best for them. I also think, though, about something that you've said, Rebecca.
You've referred to manifestation as a type of internet spirituality and how those internet spiritualities might be better suited to some aspects of modern life.
Yeah, I think what Tara was saying about magic and algorithms really plays into this here because so much of our lives are lived online. No one knows, even the people that work at these companies, like how these algorithms really work. So when you get a video on your feed saying this is actually not a coincidence, like you were meant to find this video and the good things are coming for you.
It like almost feels like true because, you know, who's to say that it wasn't? And, you know, your phone has all this data about you. And so it does on some level know you better than anything else in the world. Modern religion, which fewer and fewer of us are being raised with or kind of being part of, these are things that like
Some modern religion has no real answer for because they've never been invented until now.
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Chapter 6: Why do people turn to manifestation in a less religious but spiritual America?
Problem is, it only works sometimes. And he asks himself, like, what is it? Is it me that is not working? And he's like, no, definitely could not be me. It must be that the people who aren't getting better don't want to get better. And he comes up with this idea of what becomes known as New Thought, that wanting to be well is what's going to get you well.
And originally, New Thought is primarily about health. But there's a resurgence of this a couple of decades later in what's known as the Gilded Age, this time of incredible wealth inequality, where New Thought gets reinvented, but for money. And again, it's the same idea. If you're poor, it's your fault. And since this sort of dawn of wealth-related New Thought...
Chapter 7: How does internet spirituality differ from traditional religion?
In the late 19th and early 20th century, there are various resurgences of this mentality. One of the most famous ones was Norman Vincent Peale, who wrote, I believe it was 1952, The Power of Positive Thinking. Yeah. He was also the pastor to the Trump family, make of that what you will. In the early 2000s with The Secret by Rhoda Byrne, popularized by Oprah Winfrey. But it's all the same.
There's this invisible energy. And if you want it badly enough, you can tap into it. And if you buy my book, you can tap into it extra. Or if you watch my TikTok, you can tap into it extra. You are your own god and the world is going to fall in line with what you want if you just want it badly enough.
Right. And I also think this kind of thinking is around in some religious circles, but known better as prosperity gospel.
Yeah. Some evangelical churches do make use of the prosperity gospel, which is this idea that God wants you to be rich. You can, in fact, attract these things that God wants for you to yourself. God wants you to have all these great things. And if you don't have those things, it's because you're not in touch with the divine will. The idea that God wants health and wealth for you is not a given.
I think a lot of religious traditions do start from the question of why do bad things happen to good people? And often the answer is, I don't know, or God is mysterious, or we're trying to learn some lesson, or a lot of other solutions to this problem, what's called theodicy, the study of why God allows evil, that don't blame the individual in quite the same way.
Rebecca, it's clear that the ideas behind manifesting are super popular and have been popular for a long time. And maybe it's even baked into our culture, but why the resurgence now?
Yeah, I mean, I think there's something so deeply American about all of this. I feel like there's even strains of Puritanism in there, like this kind of predestination. You know, we are also at this time of severe wealth inequality and We've been privy to how the one percent really live in the form of social media. Like we can see what every rich person is doing online.
We can see what they're buying. We can see at least the part that they want to show. And so it provides this sort of like, well, this is you can have all of this, you know, because they're just like you. They're also on the same Internet. They're posting on the same places. But your life doesn't look like them. But it could be.
It's never been really more tempting to engage with this kind of thinking because it feels so possible. So I think that that also makes it very appealing to decide that, you know, like I too can become one of them by just thinking positively.
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Chapter 8: What does it mean to say manifestors are looking to become God?
Can you say more about that? What's really interesting is that we are seeing in a bunch of different places across the cultural spectrum, this idea that we should transcend our human limitations and try and make ourselves into another kind of maybe more divine being. And one of the ways that we see this is in the popularity of manifesting.
This ideology is often and has been since the era of New Thought bound up with this ideal of self-divinization. Like, I am divine. I am bountiful. I am abundant. Maybe I'm also not, you know, the God who created the world, but my true nature is as divinity, as part of God or God.
in a way that's slightly different from even a traditional, speaking to my own experience, Christian conception of, you know, you might become one with God through salvation or through Jesus, but like, you're not God. There is a distinction between creator and created. But another place you see the same ideal of self-divinization is the transhumanism you find in the tech world.
Recently, Brian Johnson, who's a sort of entrepreneur who went viral a little while ago with saying he could live forever.
Right. And doing all these intense regimens and medical treatments to try to do that. Yeah.
Went once again viral for announcing his new don't die religion, which has one very obvious tenet in it. I bet you can figure out what it is. Yeah.
It seems like you're set up to fail. I just want to say from the outset, you're set up to fail in the eyes of the don't die.
It's certainly unlikely. Yes. But the idea with a lot of this life extension work or anti-death work that is funded by a lot of people in the tech world, Peter Thiel's invested very heavily in life extension research. And again, there's a soft version of this, which is like, how can we make people live longer? This seems like generally a good idea.
And then there is the more intense version of it, which is develop the post-human. And one of the ways that we become post-humans faster is by getting rid of all those pesky things like sickness and death. There is a very spiritualized version that is dedicated to this idea that some people have the power to
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