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#874 - Michael Morris - Why Are We More Divided Than Ever?

07 Dec 2024

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Michael Morris is a professor of cultural psychology at Columbia University and an author. Why are humans so tribal? Despite our capacity for empathy and inclusion, why do we always gravitate toward groups of similar individuals? And is there such a thing as good tribalism? Expect to learn why tribalism exists and how it evolved in humans, why we can hate people outside of our group and why we become hostile, if the modern world has worsened tribal instincts, whether tribalism is actually a good thing for our society, why so many people identify as not the opposition instead of as for their own group and much more… Sponsors: See discounts for all the products I use and recommend: https://chriswillx.com/deals Get up to $600 off the Pod 4 Ultra at https://eightsleep.com/modernwisdom (use code MODERNWISDOM) Get a 20% discount & free shipping on your Chairman Pro at https://manscaped.com/modernwisdom (use code MODERNWISDOM20) Get 5 Free Travel Packs, Free Liquid Vitamin D, and more from AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/modernwisdom Extra Stuff: Get my free reading list of 100 books to read before you die: https://chriswillx.com/books Try my productivity energy drink Neutonic: https://neutonic.com/modernwisdom Episodes You Might Enjoy: #577 - David Goggins - This Is How To Master Your Life: https://tinyurl.com/43hv6y59 #712 - Dr Jordan Peterson - How To Destroy Your Negative Beliefs: https://tinyurl.com/2rtz7avf #700 - Dr Andrew Huberman - The Secret Tools To Hack Your Brain: https://tinyurl.com/3ccn5vkp - Get In Touch: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chriswillx Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/chriswillx YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/modernwisdompodcast Email: https://chriswillx.com/contact - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0.45 - 3.716 Chris Williamson

Why does tribalism exist? Why did it evolve?

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5.453 - 33.451 Michael Morris

tribalism is what, uh, got us out of the stone age. It's what, uh, led to our human specific form of social life, which is different from the social life of other social species, including our cousins, the chimpanzees. Um, they live in minimally collaborative troops that can ever get larger than about 50 individuals or they turn into a blood bath. And we evolved, uh,

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34.46 - 56.09 Michael Morris

some social quirks that enable us to live in culture sharing groups and these culture sharing groups allow for a level of collaboration and common fate and common concern that that is not present in other in any other social species and so

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57.774 - 86.239 Michael Morris

tribes uh tribes are large groups united by shared culture and our tribal instincts were you know adaptations or mutations that changed our psychology slightly to enable us to live in this kind of group and it just turned out to be the ultimate killer app of evolution because once we were in these culture sharing groups uh it snowballed you know the the cultures started getting

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87.245 - 113.664 Michael Morris

more complex and more adapted to the local ecology with each generation. And then humans, without becoming any brainier, were more capable of surviving and thriving because they could tap into these better cultures each generation. And they just left all the other species in their dust. So that's the basic story about tribalism. And we're stuck with it because it's in our wiring.

113.724 - 135.539 Michael Morris

It doesn't always lead us to do the right thing. But I still believe that it's mostly adaptive, that our tribal instincts enable us to do most of the things that we are proud of and that we benefit from. We notice it more when it leads us to do things that are dysfunctional. And certainly there are examples of that in the world today.

138.475 - 144.764 Chris Williamson

So tribalism is predicated on culture, that without culture, there can be no tribalism. Is that a fair...

153.496 - 178.776 Michael Morris

is by the sort of political pundits, you know, and they're just kind of grasping for a catch all explanation to understand, you know, the red blue rift and the record racial protests and religious conflicts. And, you know, it's, it's an easy, quite facile thing to say, you know, Oh, it's our resurgent tribalism. You know, our tribal instincts have reappeared, you know, and we're, we're, uh,

179.667 - 204.022 Michael Morris

we're descending into tribalism and our democracy will never be the same. That's what we've been hearing. And I think it's, I call it the trope of toxic tribalism. And it's a pretty despairing theme because the idea is that somehow the genie got out of the bottle and there's no way to get it back inside again. And I don't really think that's what's going on. I think

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