NerdWallet's Smart Money Podcast
How to Get Your Finances Ready for a Crisis and Tackle Debt Smarter
Mon, 03 Mar 2025
Learn how to prepare financially for uncertain times and balance debt payoff with saving for emergencies and retirement. How much emergency cash should you keep on hand? Should you focus on paying off debt or saving for retirement first? Hosts Sean Pyles and Elizabeth Ayoola discuss financial preparedness and debt payoff strategies to help you feel more financially secure. They begin with a discussion on personal and financial resilience, covering tips on keeping emergency cash, building a support network, and taking proactive financial actions. Then, Sean and Elizabeth talk with listener Michaela, a 24-year-old paralegal, about balancing debt repayment with savings and investing. They explore the debt snowball vs. debt avalanche methods, how much to save for emergencies, and why starting retirement savings early — even while in debt — can pay off in the long run. NerdWallet’s guide to how to prepare for your next emergency: https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/finance/how-to-prepare-for-your-next-emergency How to open a Roth IRA: https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/investing/how-and-where-to-open-a-roth-ira In their conversation, the Nerds discuss: emergency cash savings, how much cash to keep at home, personal finance preparedness, financial resilience, budgeting for emergencies, how to build an emergency fund, debt snowball vs. debt avalanche, should I pay off debt or save, how to start investing in your 20s, best budgeting methods, 50/30/20 budget, zero-based budgeting, how to save for retirement early, Roth IRA vs. 401(k), why you need an emergency fund, financial security tips, community and financial support, mutual aid groups, debt repayment strategies, credit card debt payoff, investing while in debt, how to budget better, personal loan repayment, car loan interest rates, financial planning for young professionals, cash vs. credit in an emergency, preparing for a crisis financially, high-interest debt payoff, how to avoid debt traps, savings vs. debt payoff balance, and financial habits to build in your 20s. To send the Nerds your money questions, call or text the Nerd hotline at 901-730-6373 or email [email protected]. Like what you hear? Please leave us a review and tell a friend.
Chapter 1: How can I financially prepare for a crisis?
And I'm Elizabeth Iola. On this episode, we talk with a listener who's wondering how to balance paying off their debt while building up their savings.
But first, we're going to talk about a few ways that you can prepare for uncertain, unprecedented, possibly unstable times. Whatever un-word you want to use, it can feel like we're facing it right now. And we've been hearing from listeners with concerns about how they can prepare for any unforeseen unpleasantness.
I see what you did there, Sean. You get a gold star for the wordplay.
Thank you. In addition to being a money nerd, I'm also a word nerd. But this is a really important topic to address. Right now, there are myriad events happening simultaneously that might lead some folks to feeling like they're vulnerable, either personally or financially or both.
So we're going to talk about a range of ways that you can shore up your own resilience and take action when you might feel powerless.
All right, Sean. So tell us, where do you think people should start?
There are three main areas that I think people can look into. I mean, there are more than three certainly, but we're going to talk about three in this segment. One is their own personal preparedness. This includes improving your financial resilience and taking other steps to weather a literal or metaphorical storm. Next is building out your community.
And finally, focus on what you can control and the actions that you can take today.
I like these three tips and I think they're good pillars for people to use, myself included. Now let's break it down and start with personal preparedness, which can come in a lot of different forms. Financially, one area to focus on is cash on hand. So if you are unable to use your credit or your debit card, say because networks are down or the power is out, how would you pay for things?
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Chapter 2: Why is keeping cash on hand important?
So it reminded me to keep cash beyond what my son has in his piggy bank and dollars in the house.
That is smart. And I'm sorry you went through that. That sounds pretty scary. I've been thinking about this a lot recently, too. And I've heard advice that it's a good idea to keep maybe a few hundred dollars in cash in the house in case of an emergency. But this was always one of those tasks where I thought, oh, I'll just do it some other time.
And I never got around to it, in part because I rarely use cash or have it on me. But recently I decided to get over my inertia and I went to the ATM and took out some cash. I felt pretty proud of myself.
I love that for you, Sean. So now tell us, is there a guideline for how much cash people should have just in case?
You know, it really varies in part based on how much cash you can comfortably pull out and not need to use for the foreseeable future. Personally, think about how much cash or how much money you might need to get through a few days of an emergency until payment systems are hopefully back online. You might need a hotel room or to fill up your gas tank or get a few meals out. I took out $500.
That felt like a safe number for me and my partner and our pets. Other people might want more than that, especially if they have kids. And for some, pulling out that much cash might not be possible financially, but having some amount of cash is better than having none at all, as you experienced, Elizabeth.
Exactly. And like you said, that number probably looks different for everyone. My son eats a lot of snacks and just eats a lot generally. So I might need more than 500. Another thought, instead of pulling out all of this money at once, you can take a more gradual approach to building up your cash reserve. So maybe each week you pull out $20 and put it in a safe place.
And I also will put my mom has experienced taking out cash and then forgetting where she put it. So maybe also have a clue of where you're putting the cash.
People can think of this as basically like a physical emergency fund that you're keeping in a secure location in your house, possibly even in a go bag like you have, Sean, that you have filled with stuff that you might need in time of a crisis. But beyond cash, there are other things that folks should have to prepare for some unforeseen emergency too, right?
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Chapter 3: How can building a community support financial resilience?
At a more casual level, building community can look like joining an affinity group of some sort, which Elizabeth, it sounds like you're doing on Facebook. Me, I'm not on Facebook, but I recently started meeting up with an LGBTQ plus run group in the Portland area because I wanted to expand my queer community.
And I'm not going to lie, joining an established community can feel a little awkward at first, kind of like you're the new kid at school and you don't know where to sit during lunch. But the more you see people, the easier it is to talk and to build relationships. And hopefully you'll meet some people that you click with.
And over time, they can become part of that more immediate network that you can turn to in a crisis. Or maybe if you just want to go out dancing with some friends on a Saturday night, they'll be there for you.
I love that you have all these resources and little community, Sean. It can be so helpful. Honestly, I used to be a very isolated person, and I can say that my life is richer because of the communities that I'm now engaged in.
And community is a form of wealth that goes well beyond dollars.
Absolutely.
All right. Well, the third area that I want to talk about are the actions that you can take when you feel powerless.
We've been hearing from listeners about concerns they have around changes to the Department of Education and what it might mean for their student loans or about whether changes to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau might leave them more at risk of being taken advantage of by a company.
No matter where you fall on the political spectrum, it's just good to know how you can make your voice heard.
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Chapter 4: What actions can I take to feel less powerless financially?
I do practice a zero-based budget right now, so I don't really have quote-unquote fun money. Everything is allocated to something. If I do have plans with friends, then it would have to be allocated at the beginning of the month. If it's not, then I probably won't go.
And you hold pretty strict to that budget that you make.
I do, 100%.
So when you think about where you're going to be in five years, tell us about what you picture.
I would very much hope to be out of debt. I think realistically, I would still have my student loans because I do plan to return back to school this year. So everything else, though, I would like to believe that would be paid off.
And do you think you'll still have roommates? Do you think you'll still be in Jersey? What do you imagine your life to be?
I love Jersey, but I also am interested in going to maybe D.C. or Maryland. I know that's also equally expensive, so I know for sure my rent would be more.
But that's not everything, you know. Sometimes it's worth moving to a new place, even if it's a little more expensive, so you can get different life experiences and see what opportunities there are.
That's true. Yeah, I 100% agree.
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Chapter 5: How can I balance debt repayment with savings and investing?
Exactly.
In the future, I might walk out of that car dealership because they should be able to take a different loan than the one that they offer. This is a lesson you learn when you're early in your financial life.
Absolutely.
And what's the APR on that personal loan?
I think the APR is 11%.
And the balance on it?
The balance, it's $13,000.
All right, so how are you currently approaching your debt payoff? Do you have a strategy that you're employing?
I believe maybe it would be the snowball method. I've started aggressively paying off the Chase credit card.
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