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A primer on the Federal Reserve's independence

23 Apr 2025

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President Donald Trump has been loudly critical of Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell for years now. Since January, the President has accused him of playing politics by keeping interest rates high. Trump has also threatened to oust Powell — which would mark an extraordinary shift away from the independence of the central bank.Today on the show, three Indicators: a short history of the Federal Reserve and why it's insulated from day-to-day politics; how the Fed amassed a ton of power in recent years; and a Trump executive order that took some of that power away.The original episodes from the Indicator were produced by Corey Bridges, Brittany Cronin, and Julia Ritchey. They were engineered by Cena Loffredo, James Willetts, and Gilly Moon, and fact-checked by Sierra Juarez. Kate Concannon is the editor of the Indicator. Follow us wherever you get your podcasts.This episode of Planet Money was produced by James Sneed and edited by Marianne McCune & Mary Childs. Alex Goldmark is our executive producer.For more of The Indicator from Planet Money, subscribe to Planet Money+ via Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org. Or, find us: TikTok, Instagram, Facebook.Listen free at these links: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the NPR app or anywhere you get podcasts.Help support Planet Money and hear our bonus episodes by subscribing to Planet Money+ in Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org/planetmoney.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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1.226 - 16.901 Darian Woods

This is Planet Money from NPR. Over the past week, President Donald Trump has gone from threatening to oust Jerome Powell, the chair of the Federal Reserve, to saying he has no intention of firing him.

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17.463 - 33.113 Waylon Wong

And this is not the first time Trump has raised this possibility of interfering with the Fed or even firing Powell. Trump has been loudly critical of Powell for years now. And since January, the president has accused him of playing politics by keeping interest rates high.

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33.72 - 60.916 Darian Woods

And though so far Trump hasn't taken any action to dump Powell, every time Trump's anger at the Fed chair flares, markets quiver and economists start flipping out. Because they say the Fed has to be independent. It has to focus on keeping the economy healthy. And that process must be free from politics and pressure. It needs to just focus on what's right for the economy. But why exactly?

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60.936 - 64.121 Darian Woods

Hello and welcome to Planet Money. I'm Darian Woods.

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64.441 - 74.596 Waylon Wong

And I'm Weyland Wong. Why is the independence of the Federal Reserve so sacred? Why does just the idea of Trump interfering with the Fed send economists into a tizzy?

75.083 - 105.647 Darian Woods

Today on the show, a primer on the Fed. From the Indicator podcast, we have three ways of looking at that question for you today. We'll look at what the Fed does, why its independence is so important, and one quieter step President Trump has taken to influence the Fed this year. The Federal Reserve, the US central bank, has two big goals, keeping prices stable and jobs plentiful.

106.348 - 124.939 Darian Woods

The Fed can do things like change interest rates to address inflation. Raising interest rates can bring down prices. But it could also make new mortgages more expensive. And it can put people temporarily out of work. Economist Carol Abinder of the University of Texas told us these can be unpopular moves for a politician.

125.413 - 142.462 John Smith

If their goal is to get elected in a few months or even in a few years, they're not going to worry about the long-run consequences of their policy actions. So lower interest rates, maybe they boost the economy right now, but in the longer run, maybe lead to inflation.

142.922 - 151.247 Waylon Wong

The Fed has more credibility. Investors and the public generally believe it will try to do what it takes, and that's important in getting the job done.

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