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The last time we shrank the federal workforce

12 Mar 2025

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If you cut every single federal job President Donald Trump wants to cut, how much money would that save? A president has tried to massively shrink the size of the federal government before. It was in the 90s, under a Democrat.Today on the show: Where they found waste the last time we really looked. (Hint: it wasn't jobs.) And why the pace of firings under Trump might start to slow down.For more:- Lessons for the Future of Government Reform- Is government too big? Reflections on the size and composition of today's federal government- Creating a Government That Works Better and Costs Less This episode of Planet Money was produced by Willa Rubin. It was edited by Jess Jiang and engineered by Jimmy Keeley. We had fact-checking help from Sierra Juarez. Alex Goldmark is our executive producer. Special thanks to Ben Zipperer. Find more Planet Money: Facebook / Instagram / TikTok / Our weekly Newsletter.Listen free at these links: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the NPR app or anywhere you get podcasts.Help support Planet Money and hear our bonus episodes by subscribing to Planet Money+ in Apple Podcasts or at plus.npr.org/planetmoney.Music: Audio Network - "West Green Road," "Raise Up," and "Blue and Green."Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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1.243 - 3.389 Al Gore

This is Planet Money from NPR.

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6.858 - 8.201 Sarah Gonzalez

Tell me again how to pronounce your name.

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8.795 - 14.817 Cole

A tear. So think of a teardrop. Like a teardrop is rolling down. Okay. Yes, but happy tears. Are you happy?

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15.597 - 22.179 Amanda Aronchik

I'm fine. I'm fine. A tear, Cole, is doing fine for a federal worker right now.

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22.419 - 29.182 Sarah Gonzalez

For the past year and a half, a tear has been working on basically tracking biological things that can kill you.

29.642 - 35.544 Cole

So like anthrax, Zika, contaminated food, even like lead poisoning.

35.764 - 47.878 Amanda Aronchik

Yeah. So like If someone eats some bad lettuce with E. coli, a doctor would flag it. And then this system that Atir works on would help everyone try to identify where the E. coli outbreak is coming from.

48.498 - 55.422 Cole

This system is where all the puzzle pieces come together. And it's how you move quickly in a moment of emergency.

56.083 - 71.352 Sarah Gonzalez

Atir worked closely with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Technically, though, her job was at this government unit called the U.S. Digital Service. But on the day of President Trump's inauguration, Atiyah found out that was changing. By the way, there was an executive order.

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