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Radiolab

The Echo in the Machine

23 May 2025

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Chapter 1: What is the main topic of this episode?

5.721 - 7.622 Unknown Speaker

Okay. Alright.

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7.762 - 10.683 Simon Adler

Okay. Alright. You're listening to Radiolab.

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11.524 - 11.864 Unknown Speaker

Radiolab.

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11.924 - 12.744 Simon Adler

From WNYC. See? Yep.

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19.509 - 22.251 Lulu Miller

So, let me just... We are recording. Good.

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This is Radiolab. I'm Lula Miller. And today, producer Simon Adler brings us a story from... My mother's living room.

31.557 - 34.018 Lulu Miller

Okay. Watching the television with her.

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This is what we love in our reporting. They scour the earth far and wide.

39.481 - 57.334 Lulu Miller

Oh, yeah. Going to unknown, exciting places like the shag-carpeted living room of my mother. Uh... No, and so we're sitting there, and, you know, my mother's hearing. It's not what it once was. And so, like most nights, she was watching with the closed captioning on. Oh, absolutely same. All right, right on.

Chapter 2: What sparked the Deaf President Now movement?

363.743 - 377.908 Unknown Speaker

We picked... Dr. Elizabeth Ann Zinsser as the seventh president of Gallaudet. No! Because she is a very talented educator.

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379.368 - 383.99 Lulu Miller

Oh, no. Oh, no. Yeah. They went with the hearing lady.

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384.565 - 395.772 Unknown Speaker

Elizabeth Ann Zinsser, she is the new president of Gallaudet University. Dr. Elizabeth Zinsser. Who is neither deaf nor able to speak sign language. Why? Did they say why?

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396.193 - 399.075 Lulu Miller

Well, at least one of the explanations was pretty darn ugly.

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399.235 - 406.039 Unknown Speaker

The university trustee's chairman defended the selection saying, deaf people are not ready to function in the hearing world.

406.439 - 409.401 Lulu Miller

And the students, well, they go berserk.

412.123 - 413.224 Greg Leibach

We were all upset.

420.042 - 420.482 Stephanie Wawerka

Very upset.

421.242 - 424.083 Greg Leibach

We've just felt like somebody just slapped us in the face.

Chapter 3: How did the protests at Gallaudet University unfold?

650.111 - 653.054 Unknown Speaker

Okay, so this debate was captioned.

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653.194 - 665.524 Lulu Miller

Do you think that was like a special move or was... Yeah, so this broadcast was actually open captioned, meaning that everybody who tuned in saw the captioning on the bottom of the screen.

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665.725 - 665.985 Stephanie Wawerka

Okay.

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666.365 - 685.719 Lulu Miller

However... Like that was not the case for the vast majority of the coverage of the Deaf President Now protests. And in fact, even the broadcasts that were closed captioned, like to receive those closed captions, to get them to show up on your screen, you needed to have one of these very expensive, clunky decoders.

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686.359 - 688.981 Unknown Speaker

Oh, like in your house.

689.381 - 698.086 Lulu Miller

in your house connected to your television. Think of it like a VCR, but it's a VCR that just allows your television to receive the closed captions.

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So very few people of just like the general American public would be seeing these captions.

703.61 - 704.55 Lulu Miller

Oh yeah, like nobody.

705.071 - 727.274 Unknown Speaker

Yeah. Which like, it's so frustrating to think that was like the day-to-day norm for deaf folks at that time. But I mean, there's just something like particularly... frustrating to imagine like the folks who can't access a broadcast that is literally concerning their rights and their access, you know?

Chapter 4: What were the outcomes of the Deaf President Now protests?

1410.025 - 1422.618 Lulu Miller

Because Inlee was really, well, only just the beginning. I mean, once she figured out this hack, she began developing and deploying hundreds and hundreds of code words to work around the software shortcomings.

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1423.53 - 1429.711 Meredith Patterson

Commaphones could be very difficult for the software. Two, two, and two, for example.

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1430.252 - 1430.692 Lulu Miller

The fix?

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1431.172 - 1447.336 Meredith Patterson

Tuku for T-W-O, toodaloo for T-O-O. So if a sentence is, she has two daughters in college, too, I would echo that as, she has tuku daughters in Lake College, comma, toodaloo, period.

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1448.496 - 1452.277 Lulu Miller

So that is... Wait, say that once more. Say that one, say it again.

1453.542 - 1462.819 Meredith Patterson

she has tuku daughter zinli college, tutulu. I mean, it's a whole language that you then have to remember and follow.

1463.863 - 1470.189 Lulu Miller

As Stephanie's brain melded further and further with her machine, she figured out she could trick it in other ways to make her life easier.

1470.91 - 1481.621 Meredith Patterson

So, for example, Back when George W. Bush was still in office, that's how he was referred to on the air. George W. period Bush.

1482.041 - 1486.145 Lulu Miller

Eight syllables, way too many to spit out over and over again.

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