Raging Moderates with Scott Galloway and Jessica Tarlov
What’s Buried in the Bill (feat. Rep. Greg Landsman)
Fri, 30 May 2025
Congressman Greg Landsman joins Jessica to unpack the House’s massive budget bill—aka Trump’s “Big Beautiful Bill”—and the real-world consequences buried in its 1,100+ pages. Plus, how Democrats can win back working-class trust, what Landsman is learning from his own purple district, and why it might just be time for a '90s kid to take the lead. Follow Jessica Tarlov, @JessicaTarlov. Follow Prof G, @profgalloway. Follow Raging Moderates, @RagingModeratesPod. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the House budget reconciliation package about?
It's my pleasure. As a liberal that works in conservative media, there are certain people that I like to have in my back pocket. Like when they say AOC, I say Pat Ryan or like Greg Lansman. So it's nice to meet you as a sane anchor. Not that she's insane, but you know what I mean.
Chapter 2: How did Congressman Landsman flip his district?
She and I serve on energy and commerce together, and I think we're a decent crew, right? She's more progressive on many things than me, but she's got, obviously, an incredible amount of talent when it comes to communications. It's huge.
And her ability to make arguments and to, I think, break through, which is a huge part of what Democrats have to figure out, is how to get attention and to break through. And there's a lot to learn from her, though, you know, and I've said this to her, there's, I think, a lot to learn from her.
us too which is i represent part of the the country where you have an equal number of democrats independents and republicans and so it's it's a pretty pragmatic middle-of-the-road district and i i think i have a pretty good sense of where voters are on most issues in the language they use and you know i think people like us working together is a good thing
It's undoubtedly a good thing, A, for the vibes, but B, for the electoral outcomes. And it always bothers me, I guess, that... we get pitted into these buckets so much that people can't get past that to see how much actually unifies us and then what you can learn from the other side.
And at this moment, when we have lost the communications battle so egregiously to the right, it's clear that AOC and Bernie are doing something right. And folks are focusing on that, but there's still like this downplaying of effectiveness, I guess, because of past positions, you know, well, She said defund the police. I said, yeah, I know that she said that. She doesn't say it so much anymore.
But we're not talking about what her presidential platform will look like. We're talking about what can we learn from folks within our party and how can we support each other?
Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, you know, ultimately you want to. build and you have to build the broadest possible coalition. And that takes a lot of intentionality and work and, uh, it's, it's organizing and it's the way in which you communicate and it's, it's how you build teams, but you know, it's a big part of what has to happen moving forward, in my opinion.
We, you know, as Democrats, we have to sort of come clean with voters in terms of where things weren't what we said or others in our party said and rebuild some trust because there's an issue there, right? Like even though Trump is underwater, so are Democrats. And so there's some work to do there. Ultimately, there's got to be this national effort to organize the broadest possible coalition.
And, you know, you can wait for a candidate to emerge that really has that ability to build that coalition, or you can start to lay the groundwork. Now, I'm a let's lay the groundwork now and build that huge coalition and do it by laying out, in part, a really compelling strategy.
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