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Secret Life of Books

The Women Who Made Jane Austen

16 Dec 2025

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16 Dec 2025
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Unless you've been living under a rock, you'll know that Jane Austen has a big birthday this week -- her 250th to be exact. Happy Birthday Jane!Over here on SLOB we're throwing Jane a party, and we've invited guests. They're truly the guests of honor. The women who made Jane Austen. You may not know all of their names, or any of them. So here are some literary superstars from their own day, who influenced Austen's craft, storytelling, irony and encouraged her appetite for wild, subversive stories. We tend to see Austen as a lone genius, carving out a voice for women in a world where they were often unheard. She was, in fact, just a particularly brilliant member of a wider social and literary movement. She was great, and she was great because she stood on the bonnets of giantesses. Please meet the bolters, bad-asses, barn-stormers, bold adventurers. The bloody-minded and the bloody-brilliant. Writers and books mentioned in the episode:Aphra Behn, Oroonoko and Love-Letters Between a Nobleman and His SisterDelarivier Manley, The New AtlantisEliza Haywood, Love in ExcessCharlotte Lennox, The Female Quixote and HenriettaAnn Radcliffe, A Sicilian Romance; The Romance of the Forest; The Mysteries of Udolpho; and The ItalianMary Wollstonecraft, A Vindication of the Rights of Women; A Short Residence in Sweden, Norway and Denmark; Maria; or, the Wrongs of WomanFrances Burney, Evelina, Cecilia, Camilla and The WandererCharlotte Smith, Elegiac Sonnets and The Old Manor HouseElizabeth Inchbald, A Simple StoryMaria Edgeworth, Castle Rackrent, Harrington and Belinda.Jane Austen, The Beautifull Cassandra (juvenilia) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Chapter 1: What is the significance of Jane Austen's 250th birthday?

0.503 - 20.044 Jonty Claypole

Sophie, today is the Halley's Comet Day of literature, isn't it? Is it ever. This is today the 250th anniversary of Jane Austen's birth. I mean, how extraordinary the secret life of books is in the world in order to capture and respond to this wonderful moment.

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20.224 - 43.022 Sophie Gee

You're so right to capture footage of this historic occasion. Can you believe that the comet came around today? In our lifetime, Jonty, in the lifetime of The Secret Life of Books, almost, I mean, this is where things get really cosmic, almost exactly coinciding with the first birthday of The Secret Life of Books, which we've just celebrated. It's as though there is intelligent design, surely.

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43.322 - 63.518 Jonty Claypole

That's right. This is The Secret Life of Books. I am Jonty Claypole. I, well, I'm afraid men do not come out well of this episode. So I am going to position myself as a progressive, modern feminist sympathizer who has no connection at all with the men we'll be talking about later in this episode.

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63.498 - 84.91 Sophie Gee

Nice. And I'm Sophie Gee. I'm an academic. I'm a writer. And like the other heroic women of this episode, I'm a bolter. I'm a fighter. I'm a writer. I like to duel with pistols. I like to flee from oppressive men in my life. And I've always got a pen in my hand ready to dash off the latest scandalous, scurrilous novel.

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86.312 - 89.337 Jonty Claypole

This episode, The Women Who Made Jane Austen.

91.46 - 117.24 Sophie Gee

So as surely every listener to this podcast will know, today is the day. Jane Austen's 250th birthday, December the 16th, 2025. Happy birthday, Jane. It's never been a better time to be in the Austen business. It is a boom, which is, of course, too bad for Austen herself. There's so much Austen out there.

117.441 - 134.325 Sophie Gee

There's the fabulous new book by Devani Losa, Wild for Austen, which uncovers this whole side to Austen that we suspected but weren't 100% sure about, which is this subversive, sometimes politically radical, always challenging version of everyone's favourite female writer that

134.305 - 156.902 Sophie Gee

There's another adaptation of Pride and Prejudice coming our way, written by Dolly Alderton with Olivia Colman, another heroic figure. There's worldwide. Cosplay happening, even as we speak, with bonnets and Regency dresses. The streets of Bath. I mean, it's a riot. It's turned into a riot town on the 16th of December.

157.323 - 173.071 Sophie Gee

And there's any number of other Jane Austen events and spinoffs all over the world. So I think we have to think of this as the age of big Austen. in which two or three families in a nice country village have been transformed into a global rom-com industry.

Chapter 2: Who are the influential women writers that shaped Jane Austen?

907.411 - 932.025 Jonty Claypole

He is a lodger with a quote in Francis's words, a very stupid family called the O'Connors who the Burneys know. And Frances writes in her diary, she recounts this meeting. She says he's rather short, but handsome. He's very well bred, good tempered and sensible. So, you know, he sounds like a likely candidate for marriage. But then she sort of sticks the knife in a bit.

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932.085 - 955.933 Jonty Claypole

She says he has read more than he has conversed and seems to know but little of the world. His language, therefore, is stiff and uncommon and seems laboured, if not affected." And his unworldliness becomes very apparent because after this one single meeting, he writes to her proposing marriage. And she's astonished to receive this, considering how little they know one another.

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955.973 - 978.857 Jonty Claypole

And she shares the letter with members of her family and friends. And to her kind of uneasiness, Her friends and family are saying, well, you know, Francis, you are 23. He seems, you know, eligible. This might be the best bet you get. And Charles, her father, says, look, don't be too hasty, Francis, in saying anything to him. So she's feeling a bit stuck in a corner.

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978.998 - 997.657 Jonty Claypole

And then Mr. Barlow arrives at the house unexpected. And her mother quickly vacates the room because her mother thinks it's, you know, rather a good idea if she ends up marrying this man. And she later that evening writes down the exchange that happened. So it's completely fascinating.

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She writes that after some time, after kind of pleasantries, he stammered out something of hoping and beseeching, which gathering more firmness, I answered, I am much obliged to you, sir, for the too good opinion you are pleased to have of me. But I should be very sorry you should lose any more time upon my account as I have no thoughts of changing my situation and abode. So she's saying no.

1019.203 - 1042.249 Jonty Claypole

She's taking it upon herself to say no. She says he seemed to be quite overset, having therefore so freely explained myself. I then asked him to sit down and began to talk of the weather. Isn't that wonderful? 250 years ago, people in England covered up social awkwardness by talking about the weather. But Mr. Barlow is not a man who takes no for an answer. And he keeps returning to the subject.

1042.289 - 1060.113 Jonty Claypole

He keeps saying, you know, please don't say no. Please don't write me off. And she has to keep finding ways of sort of rejecting him. He won't take no for an answer and he stays for hours. So she then goes on to describe, he remonstrated very earnestly, this is the severest decision.

1060.174 - 1081.215 Jonty Claypole

Surely you must allow that the social state is what we were all meant for, that we were created for one another, that to form such a resolution is contrary to the design of our being. He's trying to get philosophical with her. He's saying, you know, human beings are a social animal, as Aristotle says, and therefore you're much better off in marriage. All...

1081.195 - 1103.592 Jonty Claypole

All this may be true, said I. I have nothing to say in contradiction to it. But you know there are many odd characters in the world and I am one of them. So she's doing the kind of it's not you, it's me. I'm just a sort of... And she says, you know, I'm a singular, odd, queer, whimsical creature. So please just leave me alone. But he keeps on and on and it gets very, very uncomfortable.

Chapter 3: How did early novels reflect women's experiences in the 18th century?

1262.336 - 1277.1 Jonty Claypole

Yeah. And in the list for Camilla, this has since been found by scholars. But, you know, there's not a huge number of names there. But the young Jane Austen, Jane Austen's name is right there. So we know that she was one of the very first to get a copy of Camilla.

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1277.182 - 1283.01 Sophie Gee

It's so great. That's almost my favourite fact, actually. Yeah. It's so brilliant.

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1283.41 - 1306.804 Jonty Claypole

So, I mean, anyone listening, Evelina is a wonderful book. And in fact, she never again really matches it. Evelina is very readable. And also her diaries are incredible. There's a very good collection. You can get a mix of her diaries and letters and her life. You know, after Evelina, because she hasn't married, she has to get a job. She takes a role called Keeper of the Robes to Queen Charlotte.

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1306.945 - 1329.624 Jonty Claypole

It means she's the queen's kind of maiden waiting. She then marries in the early 1790s. She marries a refugee from France during the revolution. So she's very caught up in what's happening in France and the revolution. And later, they move to France. And there's also an extraordinary description of having a mastectomy without anaesthetic, of course.

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1330.125 - 1330.606 Sophie Gee

Unbelievable.

1331.507 - 1335.634 Jonty Claypole

Sophie, that's Frances Burney, who, as you can see... How do you do that?

1336.035 - 1353.469 Sophie Gee

Yeah. Incredible. Well, who have I got? I've got perhaps the only woman in history of the period who can actually match Fanny Burney's courage and brilliance and imaginative dairy. And that's Mary Wollstonecraft, one of my great heroines. I love Mary Wollstonecraft.

1353.89 - 1363.534 Sophie Gee

So listeners will remember that Mary Wollstonecraft has come up several times before in this podcast, primarily in our Frankenstein episode, because she's Mary Shelley's mother. And

1364.172 - 1386.99 Sophie Gee

The saddest thing about Mary Wollstonecraft and actually about Mary Shelley is that Mary Wollstonecraft died just a few days after giving birth to Mary Shelley from what must have been absolutely agonizing complications from childbirth. And she was in her late 30s at the time. Before that happened, before she died, she had done a truly extraordinary range and performance.

Chapter 4: What role did Frances Burney play in Jane Austen's literary development?

3424.55 - 3449.227 Jonty Claypole

They're both absolutely desperate with anxiety and love. And the clock's ticking down. It gets to the night before. Will one of them break and speak? Dorryforth, by this point, by the way, has had to sort of have lots of houseguests in order to stop himself from, you know, getting too carried away. So there's various houseguests staying and it comes to the final morning.

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3449.528 - 3469.568 Jonty Claypole

The carriage has arrived that's going to take him away for years. And neither he nor Miss Milner have slept. They can barely speak with anxiety. And here's what happens. Dory Thorpe gets up to go to the carriage reluctantly. He says goodbye to the guests one by one.

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3469.548 - 3494.998 Jonty Claypole

And then we hear now he went up to Miss Milner and taking one of her hands again, held it between his but still without speaking while she unable to suppress her tears as heretofore suffered them to fall in torrents. She finally starts crying, but they still can't speak. Now, one of the guests happily is a priest called Sanford. So what is all this, cried Sanford, going up to them in anger?

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3495.458 - 3514.747 Jonty Claypole

They neither of them replied or changed their situation. I love this image that they physically cannot let go of one another. Separate this moment, cried Sanford, or resolve to be separated only by death. The commanding and awful manner in which he spoke this sentence made them both turn to him in amazement.

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3514.767 - 3536.615 Jonty Claypole

And as it were, petrified with the sensation his words had caused, he left them for a moment and going to a small bookcase in one corner of the room, took out of it a book and returning with it in his hand, said, I mean, this is straight out of a Richard Curtis rom-com, said, Dory Forth, do you love this woman? "'More than my life,' he replied, with the most heartfelt accents.

3537.156 - 3553.285 Jonty Claypole

He then turned to Miss Milner. "'Can you say the same by him?' She spread her hands over her eyes and exclaimed, "'Oh, heavens!' Doryforth struck his forehead in doubt and agitation, but still holding her hand, he cried, "'I cannot part from her!'

3553.265 - 3576.033 Jonty Claypole

Then feeling this reply as equivocal, he fell upon his knees and cried, will you pardon my hesitation and will you in marriage show me that tender love you have not shown me yet? Will you in possessing all my affections bear with all my infirmities? She raised him from his feet and by the expression of her countenance, by the tears that bathed his hands, gave him confidence.

3576.654 - 3594.119 Jonty Claypole

He turned to Sanford, then placing her by his own side as the form of matrimony requires, gave this for a sign to Sanford that he should begin the ceremony on which he opened his book and married them. Isn't that wonderful?

3594.259 - 3619.114 Sophie Gee

It's extraordinary. And just to think back to Austin with that, you know, no wonder when they perform Lovers Vows or when they're rehearsing Lovers Vows in Mansfield Park, it just becomes this hotbed of flirtation, sexual tension, desire, longing, excitement for everyone, even for Fanny Price. She's caught up in this just spirit of romantic love

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