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Where Are We In The Quest To Find Alien Life?

Wed, 22 Jan 2025

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Around the turn of the century, 3.8 million people banded together in a real-time search for aliens — with screensavers. It was a big moment in a century-long concerted search for extraterrestrial intelligence. So far, alien life hasn't been found. But for people like astronomer James Davenport, that doesn't mean the hunt is worthless — or should be given up. No, according to James, the search is only getting more exciting as new technology opens up a whole new landscape of possibilities. So today on the show: The evolving hunt for alien life.Want more space content? Let your opinion be heard by dropping us a line at [email protected]! Listen to every episode of Short Wave sponsor-free and support our work at NPR by signing up for Short Wave+ at plus.npr.org/shortwave.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy

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Chapter 1: What is SETI and how did it start?

0.768 - 27.386 Regina Barber

You're listening to Shortwave from NPR. When I was a teenager in the late 90s, I downloaded a special screensaver. It had lots of pretty colors and graphs, but that's not why I wanted it. My goal was to humbly contribute to humankind's search for intelligent life in the universe, a.k.a. aliens. This effort is officially called the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, or SETI.

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28.035 - 51.746 Regina Barber

The screensaver I downloaded, called SETI at Home, was part of a large-scale community project to use people's everyday PCs to comb through radio signals that hit Earth from space, mostly from stars. These signals have particular patterns. So if astronomers find a signal that doesn't quite fit those patterns, it could mean some intelligent life is sending them.

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52.226 - 55.507 Regina Barber

Within a few years, the SETI at Home project recruited 3.8 million people.

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57.518 - 73.682 James Davenport

I hijacked my parents' little Gateway 2000, and I absolutely cooked it trying to contribute. So it seemed like the thing, right? It seemed like the one opportunity living in the middle of nowhere and sort of like rural eastern Washington, like, oh, I can be part of this journey that humankind is on. It was amazing.

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Chapter 2: Who is James Davenport and what is his role in the search for alien life?

74.002 - 91.534 Regina Barber

That's my friend James Davenport. He's an astronomer at the University of Washington, and his focus is on stars. And I talked to him recently because, importantly for this episode, he's a collaborator with the SETI Institute, a nonprofit research organization that combs through astronomical data in search of signs of life outside of Earth.

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92.515 - 116.072 Regina Barber

It's a search that goes way back, way before James and I took control of our family's computers, to 1924. when many researchers were excited about Mars, and Mars' orbit was close to Earth, making it a prime time to listen to signals from the planet. And so an unconventional astronomer named David Todd convinced multiple radio stations in the U.S. and one in South America to go silent.

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116.472 - 131.91 James Davenport

So for five minutes on the hour for several days, they would black out all radio transmissions in the U.S., and they would listen. They would point the radio telescopes or the radio transmitters they had at Mars, and they would listen for signs of, You know, Martian NPR.

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132.27 - 137.752 Regina Barber

David Todd even convinced the U.S. Army and Navy to listen for anything unusual in radio signals.

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Chapter 3: What historical attempts have been made to find alien life?

138.252 - 141.092 James Davenport

Spoiler, they didn't find anything. There was no Martian NPR.

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141.232 - 148.113 Regina Barber

But humans have continued to look for signs of intelligent life in the universe. And James says we've barely scratched the surface.

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148.594 - 158.139 James Davenport

If the thing we were looking for was the size of the ocean, so far, as of about 2000, we had looked at a pint glass of water. compared to the volume of the ocean.

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158.84 - 174.796 Regina Barber

And that's where our scientific efforts have mostly been, looking at radio transmissions from outer space. SETI has looked for spikes, chirps, and unusual things from radio telescopes for about 60 years. But James and others think there's so much more data to sift through outside of these radio signals.

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175.635 - 203.218 Regina Barber

So today on the show, a legitimate look at the search for intelligent life in space, the ways we look, and how scientists are taking the search to the next level. I'm Regina Barber, and you're listening to Shortwave, the science podcast from NPR. OK, James, let's just like get into it. There's this equation that people throw around.

Chapter 4: What is the Drake Equation and why is it important?

203.939 - 211.771 Regina Barber

It's an equation that tells us the likelihood that there's alien life that could send us a signal. It's called the Drake equation. Can you break that down for us?

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212.082 - 236.869 James Davenport

So the Drake equation is the number of stars times the fraction of those stars that should have intelligent life. It's capable of sending us signals. In its simplest form, it's the number of stars times the fraction of stars that have NPR. Or something like that. Now, what goes into that NPR term? Well, you have to have a planet. It has to be at that Goldilocks distance from its parent star.

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237.59 - 258.212 James Davenport

It has to have water. It has to have all the ingredients that we know and many of the ingredients we don't know. And there's a lot we don't know about what drives life. So the last 25 years, there has been a really big surge in this field called astrobiology. And they've tried to answer the parts of that equation like, well, how many stars have planets? Is it every star?

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258.392 - 284.581 James Davenport

Is it only stars like our sun? So now we know that on average, every star roughly has at least one planet. Wow. At least one rocky type planet on average. Wow. That's so many. That means there's so many. That means that for a galaxy of more than 100 billion stars, that means we have at least 100 billion planets to search. And even still, even after 25 years of astrobiology, we still don't know.

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284.661 - 289.663 James Davenport

There still is enough unknowns in that equation that we don't know the answer still. So there's a lot of work to be done.

290.816 - 308.848 Regina Barber

And the Drake equation doesn't take into account time. I personally was like, OK, the universe is like 13.8 billion years old. Our sun is like around 4.6 billion years old. I feel like there could have been civilizations that were coming on. I mean, that point. But that equation doesn't take that into account.

309.049 - 328.937 James Davenport

You can write it in a way that does. You can write it in such a way that. how many civilizations arise, and what's the likelihood that they live long enough to develop radio telescopes and astronomy and space travel perhaps. So you can write the equation sort of in different ways. It's not a strict equation in the same way as Einstein's theory of relativity.

329.298 - 334.76 James Davenport

It's an equation that gives us kind of an outline for how to frame the problem. It's more of a illustration.

Chapter 5: How many planets are there in our galaxy?

334.98 - 340.662 Regina Barber

Okay, so this illustration, this equation comes from a man who kind of began what led to like modern SETI.

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341.431 - 359.78 James Davenport

So really what we consider the beginning of modern SETI is 1960. So Frank Drake, who some people know from the Drake equation, which tries to quantify what's the likelihood that we're alone in the universe. He was actually the pioneer where he had time on a radio telescope for good bread and butter astronomy reasons. At this point in the 1960s, people are looking at.

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360.458 - 383.165 James Davenport

galaxies and gas and dust in the sort of interstellar medium. And radio telescopes are a new technology still. And he decides to point it at a couple of nearby stars to quote unquote listen with the intent of looking for again, chirps or pulses or some kind of transmission, he doesn't find anything. But he starts what he calls Project Ozma, named after the Wizard of Oz.

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383.585 - 385.226 Regina Barber

Oh, my gosh. Right? Okay, cool.

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386.107 - 395.671 James Davenport

And he starts to look for signs of, you know, transmissions, intentional transmissions from technology. And this is really the beginning of what we call SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence.

396.112 - 412.767 Regina Barber

Okay, and since SETI has been efficiently operational, that's like 1985, we haven't found anything, right? But you mentioned that analogy that we've only searched the equivalent of a pint glass of water versus the ocean that is the entire sky.

413.148 - 419.694 James Davenport

We've done a lot of work since. So my estimate a couple of years ago was we've pushed that from a pint glass of water to maybe a hot tub.

420.598 - 422.339 Regina Barber

Okay. That's not bad.

422.359 - 426.222 James Davenport

Yeah. That's massive progress, right? There's a lot of pint glasses in a hot tub.

Chapter 6: Why haven't we found signs of extraterrestrial intelligence?

505.683 - 520.447 Regina Barber

OK, so there's even better technology on the horizon to make the search like even more comprehensive. I'm thinking of like the massive Vera Rubin telescope being built in Chile right now. How do you see this telescope impacting like how we look for life outside of Earth?

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520.767 - 522.647 James Davenport

So just yesterday, the very first like.

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522.667 - 523.988 Regina Barber

Yesterday being January 14th. Right.

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524.468 - 547.191 James Davenport

The very first like commissioning image from the telescope from like their engineering camera was shown. And it's beautiful and it's early days, but the telescope is now being tested and everything is being aligned. So it has gone from 20 years of development to a reality. This telescope, it's going to sit in Chile and for 10 years create this mosaic movie of the sky.

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547.691 - 569.519 James Davenport

And it's going to watch the sky every night with the world's largest digital camera built in California, shipped all the way to Chile. This camera is the size of a small car. It's a massive, powerful camera attached to an 8.5-meter telescope. So an enormous piece of glass, one of the 10 biggest pieces of glass ever built. It's incredibly powerful.

569.599 - 583.882 James Davenport

And what you get for all that is a sample of more than 10 billion stars. The best samples of stars so far are 1 to 2 billion. We're going to push that up to 10, maybe 15 or 20 billion stars in our galaxy.

584.382 - 584.622 Regina Barber

Wow.

584.883 - 600.649 James Davenport

That's a total transformational shift. It's going to be something that really is a tide that raises all the sort of astronomical boats. We're going to see the binary stars and the supernova. We're going to double the known number of asteroids and comets in the solar system. Important. In the first year.

601.149 - 602.469 Regina Barber

You're getting me excited.

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