The infamous Stanford Prison Experiment wasn't really much of an experiment as it turns out. It was more like a poorly thought out exercise conducted by a professor who didn't dot the i's and cross the t's. Listen in to this classic episode as Josh and Chuck give this experiment some harsh treatment of their own.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: What was the Stanford Prison Experiment?
Yeah, and I think even before that, when they went to stage the uprising, I don't think there were three rooms of three, and I think six of them, two of the rooms participated, and one of the rooms did not. Because not all the guys... not all the prisoners rebelled as much. Some of them just kind of went along with it.
Interestingly, some of the guards did not descend into cruelty. Right. Actually, some of them did favors, went out of their way to be nice to the prisoners. But the grabster who wrote this article points out very significantly They didn't stand up to the cruel guards or officially object to their behavior.
Right.
They went along with it, but then— Because they thought they had to. In their own—right, in their own way— They did what they could to retain their humanity. So there are two huge points. And one of them, there's one among the guards and one among the prisoners. And the one among the prisoners comes 36 hours after the beginning of the experiment.
And this prisoner, his name, it would later be revealed, was Douglas Corpy. He had an emotional breakdown, a nervous breakdown. 36 hours after this experiment starts, one of the prisoners becomes so emotionally involved in this simulated prison. At the cruelty, the simulated supposedly cruelty of the guards that he had a nervous breakdown. Well. And had to be removed from the experiment.
And this is like, this is Zimbardo's, this is the official line for the Stanford prison experiment. Oh, so we're still playing along? Right. And has been for decades.
Yeah. He also said that one of them broke out in a psychosomatic rash. There was all manner of pain. Various levels of psychological breakdowns happening.
On the other side, the big star among the guards was a guy named John Wayne who you referenced earlier.
Yeah, his name was Dave Eshelman. And he was the one who, he was the ringleader. He's the one that came out as the most brutal guard of them all. And all the other guards kind of fell in line behind him and took their cues from him.
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Chapter 2: Why was the Stanford Prison Experiment controversial?
They would say I want my mommy or I'm going crazy or my God, please stop this. Please stop this. But they never said those exact words. The safe phrase. Yeah, the safe phrase. But it turns out that's bunk too, right?
Yeah, it turns out that if you look at the contract that they had that he's referencing that say the rules and everything in the agreement, there's no safe word to be mentioned. It certainly doesn't say if you say I want to quit the experiment, you get released from the experiment. So he's just flat out lying about that then. That's from what I understand, yes.
And what article was this that you sent? There's a really good takedown in Medium called The Lifespan of a Lie.
Yeah, it's a good one.
And it's based on... That title's based on, I think, a documentary by a... A documentary or a book by a French filmmaker who titled his version The Birth of a Lie. And it's basically about how... the Stanford Prison Experiment was just basically... It was bunk from the get-go, which we'll kind of pick that apart in a little bit.
And that just fascinatingly has been perpetuated over, again, basically 50 years. It just entered the cultural zeitgeist and just stayed like an infection.
All right, some other things that happened to make it realistic. They brought in a lawyer when parents asked for one and played along like it was real. They brought in a chaplain who came in to speak to prisoners, and he played along with it too. They basically – did everything that you would think would happen in a real prison on a slightly scaled-down level.
Right, but the upshot of all of this is Zimbardo saying, like, do you see what's going on here, everybody?
Yeah.
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