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We Who Wrestle With God | Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

17 Nov 2024

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This week on the Sunday Special, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson is back to discuss his latest book, “We Who Wrestle With God.” In today’s episode, Jordan describes what it means for man to be created in the image of God, and what the Bible can tell us about our capacity for both tremendous sacrifice and tremendous folly. He also reflects on his writing process, and why he believes it is good enough to conduct himself as if God exists. Grab your copy of “We Who Wrestle With God,” available everywhere on November 19th—stay tuned and don’t miss this episode of the Sunday Special with the inimitable Dr. Jordan B. Peterson.   - - -    Today’s Sponsors:   International Fellowship of Christians and Jews - To give to IFCJ, visit https://benforthefellowship.org/   Collars & Co - Get 20% off your first order when you use code BEN at: https://collarsandco.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0.169 - 24.738 Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

It's more definitive in the Old Testament accounts that whatever God is, is beyond categorization. God is outside our category structures. Now, does that make him real? Well, I would say God is hyper real. God is the reality upon which all reality depends. That's a different kind of category. It's an atheist game. Is God real like a table is real?

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24.798 - 42.329 Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Well, the insistence of the entire biblical library is that God is not real in that manner. God is outside of time and space, for example, and all material objects are inside of time and space. And so God is a reflection of the substrate that makes time and space themselves possible.

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42.569 - 59.874 Ben Shapiro

This week on the Sunday special, I'm excited to welcome back Dr. Jordan B. Peterson to discuss his latest book, We Who Wrestle With God. Jordan has lectured on biblical symbolism for years, including with us here at The Daily Wire in his groundbreaking seminars on Exodus and the Gospels. After the success of his previous bestsellers, Maps of Meaning, 12 Rules for Life, and Beyond Order,

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60.174 - 104.971 Ben Shapiro

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson. Well, Jordan, it's great to see you. Great to see you, Ben. Thanks for the invitation. Yes, let's talk about your brand new book. Obviously, it's burning up the bestseller charts already. Yeah, that's the one. That'd be the big one.

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105.251 - 108.934 Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Yeah, I'm very happy about it. I'm also perplexed.

109.415 - 111.516 Ben Shapiro

So tell me about your perplexion.

112.958 - 137.011 Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

Well, I don't know what people are going to make of it because... See, I tried to do two things in the book. I tried to make a case that was scientifically and theologically unassailable. And, you know, people might be skeptical about whether or not, let's say, psychology qualifies as a science. But it does if you triangulate with enough precision.

137.691 - 165.171 Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

So the arguments that I'm making, I think, are, what would you say, they're viable arguments. at a psychopharmacological basis. So with regards to brain chemistry and brain function, and also with what we know about perception and clinical practice. And then they also make sense from a literary and religious scholarship perspective. Now that's what I think.

165.231 - 190.204 Dr. Jordan B. Peterson

That's a lot of fields to cover and refer to, you know, and so am I a master in all those areas? Well, I suppose in each of those areas, there are people who know more than me. But across the areas, I'm not doing too bad. And so I figured out some things that are very fundamental, I think. And we'll see how people respond. Like I figured out, for example, that

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