Rachel Maddow: Born to Dilly Dally, Forced to Fight Fascism
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What does 'born to dilly-dally, forced to fight fascism' mean?
A friend sent me a meme the other day. It was like a Paddington meme, and the caption was, born to dilly-dally, forced to fight fascists.
How does Rachel Maddow feel about the current political climate?
You had me at dilly-dally. Hi, everyone. It's Nicole Wallace. You may know me from Deadline White House. This is our new podcast called The Best People. Rachel Maddow is our North Star here at MSNBC. She also happens to be as funny and smart and supportive off camera as she is on. So for this episode of The Best People, we dig into the news, shirtless Vladimir Putin, and all sorts of other things. This is The Best People with Nicole Wallace. And this is my dear friend, Rachel Maddow. So, Rachel, thank you for doing this. I know you're more than very, very, very busy, but you are truly, I don't know why I feel I'm about to get weepy, but you're not just one of the best people in my life. You're one of my closest friends in this world.
You are everyone's TV friend, but I feel like you get to be my real world friend. And I have to say, the last six months, I know where I was when I called you in all my scary moments. There's a part on my run where I run with the baby, and I would have to run far enough that she'd be asleep, but I would pull off in this spot. And as the election was coming to an end, and the stories that we covered became so real, and in my scary moments, you were my lifeline and the person that I've always called. And I feel now like we're doing the actual work and I feel a little less scared. Yeah. But I wonder how you're feeling. And I feel like for me, you're the person that got my head back in the game and reminded me not just why we're doing this, but that we're not doing it alone. We have you.
Well, I mean, we're all trying to do a version of the same thing. But I feel like the thing that has been helpful for me in talking to you through this whole process is... It's just kind of a reminder that we've been talking about and worrying about the edge of the cliff. for so long. But then it turns out time is linear and it goes forward and that interacts with that other metaphor. And as time goes forward, we did get closer to the edge of the cliff and we have now gone off the cliff and it turns out time is still linear and still goes forward and the sun still rises and you still have to do stuff. And so now we have experienced what the edge of the cliff is like. And what it's like to be in midair. And we are now in the canyon on the other side of the cliff.
And we are seeing what life is like there. And it's just, you know, I am your friend who sends you weird country music songs. This is like a Robert Earl Keene moment for us, like the road goes on forever and the party never ends. It turns out. Like in the middle of a fascist takeover, what happens is there's a fascist takeover and you have to keep still doing the work. Then you are a person who's fighting an existing fascist authoritarian government and not just warning about it and trying to avert it from happening. Like you just you have to keep putting one foot in front of the other. There isn't this isn't a play. This isn't a movie. This is our lives. And as long as we're here, we have stuff to do.
I feel like the work you did of showing the country in this moment was so, it's just so awesome to see that like we're all in the canyon together. Like because Trump did all the things he said he was going to do and because, you know, for the record, like he's not mad when you describe him as autocratic. I mean, it's not a, there have been friction points, right? Like he didn't like media coverage of the investigations into his campaign's ties to Russia. But I, I'm not aware of him calling to complain about describing his policies, tactics, and temperament as autocratic. There's something more out in the open this time.
Oh, yeah. I think one of the reasons that I often use the term strongman to describe him is I think he'd probably call himself a strongman, too. Yeah.
But I think he thinks it means like strong space man. I don't think like I think in the beginning when he was calling Orbot a strong man, he meant like he's a man with, you know, muscles. Like I don't think I think if he understands that word now in the context of like autocracy, it's been explained to him.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What does 'born to dilly-dally, forced to fight fascism' mean?
0:05–0:14
2
How does Rachel Maddow feel about the current political climate?
0:14–8:14
3
What insights does Rachel Maddow share about protests?
8:14–12:41
4
How do Americans perceive the Trump administration's actions?
12:41–15:52
5
What are the implications of Trump's relationship with foreign governments?
15:52–19:08
6
How are immigrants being treated in current policies?
19:08–28:40
7
What role do protests play in democracy?
28:40–33:18
8
How can individuals contribute to political change?
33:18–56:49
Speakers
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