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Harvard Is Trying to Resist Trump. It Might Not Be Working.

Thu, 29 May 2025

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For Harvard students, this year’s graduation ceremony comes amid an intense standoff between one of America’s most prestigious universities and the United States government.Michael S. Schmidt, an investigative reporter for The Times, explains how the conflict escalated and what it reveals about how far the administration will go to fulfill its agenda.Guest: Michael S. Schmidt, an investigative reporter for The New York Times, covering Washington.Background reading: Harvard leaders see only bad outcomes ahead as they battle President Trump.The Trump administration says it is halting Harvard’s ability to enroll international students.For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily. Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday. Photo: Sophie Park/Bloomberg Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

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What is the current situation for Harvard students amid the Trump administration?

1.218 - 39.742 Unnamed UK Prime Minister

Today is graduation day, and I'm exhausted. I'm a Harvard student, and over the last few months, we've just been watching the news scared. And we've somehow become pawns in this political culture war. Trump has been coming up with new ways every single day of how to come after us. We're currently in month four and we have a long time to go with this administration.

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39.802 - 43.204 Unnamed UK Prime Minister

So we really don't have a lot of hope that this is going away anytime soon.

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46.175 - 49.559 Rachel Abrams

From The New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams, and this is The Daily.

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50.2 - 61.514 Unnamed UK Prime Minister

I've been very proud to see the university stand up and resist what I think are overreaches from the Trump administration. It's not an easy thing to unite a place as opinionated as Harvard, and yet Trump has succeeded in doing exactly that.

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62.21 - 71.438 Rachel Abrams

For Harvard students, this year's graduation ceremony comes amid an intense standoff between one of America's most prestigious universities and the United States government.

71.799 - 86.091 Unnamed UK Prime Minister

I definitely think that some of the administration's criticism of Harvard is valid. I've been frustrated by how left-leaning a lot of the courses are, but I don't think the federal government should be trying to force Harvard's hand in this way to fix them.

86.992 - 92.433 Rachel Abrams

In particular, the Trump administration is trying to cut the school's federal funding and eliminate student visas.

93.034 - 98.815 Unnamed UK Prime Minister

I'm really concerned about the research that's lost and the projects that are going to be halted halfway through because of these funding cuts.

99.155 - 107.157 Unnamed UK Prime Minister

We as international students are asking ourselves constantly and each other, what control do we now have over our lives?

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