The Dr. John Delony Show
Conflict Expert: Simple Frameworks to Make Hard Conversations Easier (With Jefferson Fisher)
31 Mar 2025
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I've never considered that, dude. That's a fascinating take, Jefferson. I'm going to have to stew on that one. What in the world is going on? This is John, the Dr. John Deloney Show. So grateful that you are with us. And dude, you are in for it today. You're in for it today. Today is a special, special day for me. I sit down with my friend.
We're running it back with the great and powerful and almost all-knowing Jefferson Fisher. millions and millions and millions of people follow him on the internets. He is a licensed attorney in the Houston area in South Texas, and he's got a thriving practice.
And a few years ago, he got in his car and started making helpful little notes for people to use on how to communicate well, and it exploded. And we had him in 2023. It was the top episode of the year. And he has a brand new book coming out called The Next Conversation. It's an outstanding, outstanding book, How to Argue Less and Talk More.
One of the most common questions I get on this show is, how do we communicate better with our spouses, with our kids, with our romantic partners, with our bosses, with our friends, with our neighbors? Man, in this conversation, we get into some details on how to have hard conversations.
We also do a lightning round where we take your questions that y'all sent in via social media and we answer those. It's an amazing conversation. I walked away, I learned a lot and I can't wait for you to check it out. So buckle up, pull out a pen and a paper and enjoy my conversation with my great friend, Jefferson Fisher. I want to talk about the four most popular questions we get on the show.
Oh, okay. And there's like five years of me rattling off answers. And I'm going to hand it over to you because I don't think I'm doing a great job because I keep getting the same questions over and over. Giving me five seconds. Got it. All right.
So these are four common calls I get and their challenges here. All right. So I'm going to read you how it comes into our team. All right. All right. So people email in or they call and leave a long message.
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