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#2080 - John Reeves

Thu, 28 Dec 2023

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John Reeves is an Alaskan gold miner who first came to public prominence on the 2012 National Geographic docu-series "Goldfathers." More recently, his ongoing search for gold uncovered the remains of thousands of Ice Age animals lying beneath the permafrost on his property. The discovery is featured in the 2019 documentary "Boneyard Alaska" and popular Instagram account @theboneyardalaska. www.fairbanksgoldco.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1.951 - 5.814 Unnamed Speaker

Joe Rogan Podcast, check it out! The Joe Rogan Experience.

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6.214 - 9.557 Unnamed Speaker

Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night! All day!

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13.66 - 15.642 John Reeves

Oh yeah, no. I'll have a little taste.

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15.802 - 17.203 Unnamed Speaker

Just a little taste, Mr. Reeves.

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21.707 - 24.389 John Reeves

Thank you, sir. Cheers, sir. Good to see you again. Good to be seen.

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24.729 - 56.692 Joe Rogan

Ha ha. Mmm. Mmm. So tell me, what the fuck is going on? How is it? How's things cracking? First of all, congratulations on being proved correct and that there are literally mammoth bones, bison bones, all kinds of bones in the East River. You said on this podcast, Dirty Water, Dan went out and looked for them. They found bones. They found multiple bones. It's real. It's very real.

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57.052 - 68.935 Joe Rogan

So the museum dumped bones that belong to your property out there in the East River, and they're still out there for people to find. How many pounds were dumped, roughly?

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69.415 - 69.755 John Reeves

50 tons.

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73.796 - 74.336 Unnamed Speaker

50 tons.

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74.636 - 79.002 John Reeves

And that was told to me by one of the guys that wrote that report. That I read on your show.

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79.162 - 81.464 Joe Rogan

Good Lord, that's a lot. I didn't know it was that many.

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81.704 - 82.945 John Reeves

Yeah. Boxcar.

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84.626 - 86.367 Joe Rogan

And they found how many bones so far?

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87.188 - 92.832 John Reeves

I don't know. You don't know? I think Dirty Water Don and those guys found three so far.

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92.912 - 94.453 Joe Rogan

Did I say Dan? Sorry, sorry.

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94.473 - 95.714 John Reeves

It's either Dan or Don.

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95.734 - 106.422 Joe Rogan

Don. I think it's, is it Dirty Water Dan or Dirty Water Don? It's Don. Dirty Water Don. I'm sorry. That's a risky thing. The guy's diving in the East River. Yeah. That guy's...

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107.518 - 108.88 John Reeves

There's more guys out there, too.

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109.221 - 110.282 Joe Rogan

How many guys are out there right now?

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110.662 - 117.131 John Reeves

Don't know how many, but I know there's others out there that are making finds. So are they using spotlights?

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117.171 - 120.155 Joe Rogan

How are they seeing things at the bottom of the East River?

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120.495 - 121.557 John Reeves

One is a research vessel.

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122.188 - 123.169 Joe Rogan

A research vessel?

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123.269 - 123.469 John Reeves

Yeah.

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124.049 - 124.329 Joe Rogan

Whoa.

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125.23 - 129.752 John Reeves

Yeah, I'm in the gold mining industry, and we have a code that we don't talk about.

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129.772 - 136.235 Joe Rogan

So this is one piece, and this is a jawbone, correct? Yes, sir. Of a step bison.

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136.835 - 143.439 John Reeves

I believe so. I have never seen it. But I know he found that was one of the first things he found. He found some mammoth ivory.

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143.819 - 171.04 Joe Rogan

Yeah, and he found another bone, right? Yes, sir. Looks like a leg bone. Yeah. Right there, yeah. So this is his Instagram is Dirty Water Don on Instagram, and that's another bone that they found right there. Yes, sir. And so they know roughly the location, and it's kind of amazing that this stuff was dumped in, was it the 30s? When was this dumped? In the 40s. The 40s. Yes, sir.

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171.381 - 188.912 Joe Rogan

So this stuff was dumped. That's outrageous. That's an outrageous photograph. How dare you, Don. This stuff was dumped in the 40s, and to this day, this is the first time that people have actually gone looking for things, correct? Yes, sir.

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188.932 - 191.294 John Reeves

It's been a dirty little secret for decades.

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191.694 - 198.719 Joe Rogan

Well, proven true now. It sure has been. The museum still continues to deny it, though, correct?

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200.78 - 215.524 John Reeves

They won't talk to me. Why won't they talk to you? Well, when Drew and Elora and I and my wife went to New York a few years ago, they were supposed to meet with us, and they decided to have us stand out in the rain for four hours.

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216.284 - 216.584 Unnamed Speaker

Really?

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216.884 - 217.104 John Reeves

Yeah.

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217.224 - 217.985 Joe Rogan

And they wouldn't meet with you?

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218.465 - 231.648 John Reeves

No. So you went all the way to New York to meet with them? Well, I went there to the Explorers Club to show the documentary. There was a screening of the documentary on the Boneyard. And what, did they just decide that you're too problematic? I think so, yeah.

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232.008 - 234.129 Joe Rogan

Well, how are you problematic? I don't understand.

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235.017 - 236.722 John Reeves

I'm problematic in many, many ways.

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236.883 - 237.665 Joe Rogan

I think you're great.

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237.806 - 242.38 John Reeves

Because I don't think they ever envisioned somebody like me owning this company.

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242.848 - 246.109 Joe Rogan

Right. That's probably the problem. The problem is you're honest.

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246.569 - 256.451 John Reeves

To some degree. I'm a gold miner after all. Yeah. You know, Mark Twain said a miner is a liar standing next to a hole in the ground. Oh, that's funny.

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256.932 - 277.675 Joe Rogan

Mark Twain was the shit. Yeah, wasn't he? He really was. Boy, was that guy ahead of his time. You know, a lot of people credit him for being the first stand-up comedian. I didn't know that. Yeah, because stand-up comedy is a truly American art form. And it seems like Twain... was the first guy to do it.

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277.695 - 302.327 Joe Rogan

Cause essentially what he would do is read his humorous works in front of people and they would all laugh. So he would, you know, be playing to the crowd. And, uh, it was one of the first iterations of standup comedy was Mark Twain. And he obviously is very funny guy, very insightful and humorous and so many great quotes from this one individual, you know?

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302.347 - 302.727 Unnamed Speaker

Yeah.

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304.153 - 317.705 Joe Rogan

So they left you in the rain, and then nobody has spoken to you since, or what? They don't talk to me. What are they afraid of? It's not even them. You've got to think, this is all done in the 1940s. Everybody who did it is probably dead.

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318.786 - 320.267 John Reeves

They just don't want to return the bones.

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321.689 - 322.77 Joe Rogan

Oh, so they have more bones.

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323.191 - 340.092 John Reeves

Oh, yeah. This is just the stuff they threw in the river is not even the good stuff. I don't know if you saw that little video I posted of their collecting techniques where they threw them in a big pile. No idea where they came from. Wow. It's on my Instagram.

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341.545 - 347.649 Joe Rogan

So they just don't want to address it. So do you have lawyers involved? Like what's going on so far?

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347.789 - 359.197 John Reeves

Everybody's encouraged me to litigate this. I've been involved in litigation before and I have a pretty good track record because I protect my property rights. I don't care if it's real property or intellectual property.

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360.523 - 379.096 Joe Rogan

Well, this seems like they're going to have to – I mean, there's just too much pressure now. With the fact that they've actually found real bones in the East River, that there's no other way they could have gotten there. I mean, just how else are you going to find a step bison bone in the fucking East River? It's clear that they dumped that stuff.

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379.477 - 386.442 John Reeves

Oh, yeah. And they denied it for – check this out. So it says I – How?

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389.144 - 393.568

These are the fearsome reminders of a period when cavemen were not the only things girls had to look out for.

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394.629 - 396.871 John Reeves

Wow. That was, that was am.

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396.891 - 408.261

Money isn't always so easy to find. Gold miners in Alaska loosening up the frozen earth found not gold, but the treasures of past ages. A mammoth tusk nine feet long was just a part of the 12 tons of ivory unearthed in a year.

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408.481 - 408.801 Unnamed Speaker

Wow.

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These are the fearsome reminders of a period when cavemen were not the only things girls had to look out for.

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414.206 - 420.372 Joe Rogan

It's hilarious. The way they talked back then was so strange. What a weird way to talk. Why did they all choose to talk like that?

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420.712 - 421.112 John Reeves

I don't know.

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421.573 - 426.097 Joe Rogan

Very weird. It's like when they first heard themselves recording, I would like to sound a little more fancy.

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428.897 - 452.635 John Reeves

Anyways, that's their collecting techniques, and they sent everything. They weren't supposed to take all that stuff. They were only supposed to take bones of scientific value, and they were supposed to research every one they took. And they were supposed to, under the agreement I had with them, or my company— do a report annually on everything they took.

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453.576 - 477.989 John Reeves

And it was a tripartite agreement with the University of Alaska, AMNH, and my company, Fairbanks Exploration. And they didn't do any of it. And when I bought the company, I went to the University Museum, and the curator there, I said, I bet you know why I'm here. He goes, I think I do. I said, I want the bones back. He goes, let's go to New York City. Let's go get them.

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479.17 - 489.438 John Reeves

So we all went to New York City to get them. And they gave me a nice tour downstairs of the basement and showed me the tons and tons they had down there, hundreds and hundreds of mammoth tusks.

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489.998 - 490.358 Unnamed Speaker

Really?

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490.878 - 492.699 John Reeves

In those crates, the wooden crates and everything else.

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492.819 - 493.8 Joe Rogan

And what are they doing with them?

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494.02 - 498.422 John Reeves

Nothing. They're supposed to do reports and research on them. They haven't done anything in 100 years.

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499.302 - 505.985 Joe Rogan

So is it because they don't have the funding to do the work on them and they just want to store them because they're pack rats? Like what are they doing?

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506.225 - 510.647 John Reeves

Well, they don't have the stratigraphic information about where that stuff comes from.

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511.367 - 512.147 Unnamed Speaker

Oh, you have that.

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512.607 - 536.68 John Reeves

I have all of that. Yeah. And one of the authors of that report I read last year, uh was trying to get us together so we could make some sense out of this collection and like drew and i were talking earlier it's like a thousand piece jigsaw puzzle i only got 20 pieces i want the whole thing on the table and we'll research all of it because the secrets to the extinction event are in those bones

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537.202 - 550.752 Joe Rogan

Yeah, it seems like it. It is. Well, let's talk about that because one of the things that you have found is a layer of carbon, a layer of dark carbon that seems to indicate a mass fire.

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551.053 - 551.293 John Reeves

Yes.

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551.773 - 561.16 Joe Rogan

And that where the animals are, it's so unusual that there are so many bones in this same sort of layer of

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562.401 - 590.382 Joe Rogan

that exist in one place that something had to happen for them to all die in that one spot and this is something that randall carlson has pointed out before um you know they found the other places where i forget where the other places were was it siberia where they found massive amounts of mammoths that were all in one area that seemed to have died instantaneously some of them with like broken leg bones seemed to have died because of an impact or

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747.64 - 774.838 John Reeves

Well, like I told you last time, I think it's all secondary deposition from water because there's such a wide spectrum of them and very few mummified remains, although we found some this summer. And I think I told you last year that the oldest sample we took was 22,000 years old. And some people, you know, I have that Ice Age Fossil Works, buy little shards of ivory.

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775.838 - 788.042 John Reeves

And I told the one guy, I said, why don't you carbon date it if you want to know the story. So he sent it off to a lab and had it carbon dated, 40,000 years old. Wow. So there might be enough in there for two dryness events.

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790.898 - 814.917 Joe Rogan

Which is probably likely. Could have. Yeah. Well, what Randall and Graham Hancock, what they believe and the Younger Dryas Impact Theory proponents believe is that distinctly something around 11,800 years ago and then maybe something also around 10,000 years ago. But that doesn't preclude or that doesn't dismiss the idea that there could have been one 30,000 years, 40,000 years.

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814.937 - 826.128 Joe Rogan

There could have been multiple events. Yeah. Could have been. Because of this time that we pass through this comet shower. It's every June and November, I believe.

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826.59 - 831.233 John Reeves

And I've posted that picture before of the burnt bedrock and the gravel above it.

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831.533 - 838.038 Joe Rogan

Yes. See if you can find that photo, Jamie, because that's fascinating, too, because that seems to indicate that something massive happened.

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838.578 - 839.399 John Reeves

Something did happen.

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839.599 - 839.879 Joe Rogan

Yeah.

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840.98 - 846.784 John Reeves

And the problem with this deposit, now, I've got to be careful what I say after last time.

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847.084 - 847.584 Unnamed Speaker

What would you do?

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848.124 - 853.548 John Reeves

When I was here with you last time. Did you get crazy? What did you say? I'm afraid I bullshitted you a little bit.

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853.968 - 854.629 Unnamed Speaker

In what way? Yeah.

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855.555 - 880.333 John Reeves

Because when I got back to Fairbanks, my surveyor comes up to me. His name's Albert. He says, you got a lot of nerve bullshitting them like that. I said, what are you talking about? He said, you told him the site that you dug all these up is five acres. I said, yeah. He goes, it's 2.1 acres. Wow. Okay, I'm going to tell him I'm sorry. I apologize.

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880.533 - 889.958 Joe Rogan

That's actually even more insane, right? So do you think that this is like the water had washed these bodies into a very specific area?

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890.798 - 919.319 John Reeves

I think there's a bigger system of water in play that we don't really understand yet. When we started going up the gulch, it's what it is, the gulch. And it's about... Not the way I can describe it. It sure is narrow, but it sure is long. So this year we decided, let's go back to the beginning. And we moved the pump and everything back down to where we started 15, 16 years ago.

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920.52 - 933.087 John Reeves

Thinking, okay, let's see how wide this is. As soon as we started doing it, we started finding more tusks, more animal parts, more of everything. And we found those crazy sawed bones.

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933.789 - 947.333 Joe Rogan

Yeah, the crazy sod bones are very interesting. Yeah. So let's talk about that because we've showed photos on the podcast before and that these sod bones, now you have carbon dated them and they're to when? Here they are. Yeah.

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947.353 - 956.075 John Reeves

You're not going to believe this because we got all excited when we found them. Yeah. Plus or minus 200 years. They're 190 years.

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956.875 - 958.896 Joe Rogan

So what kind of animal are these from?

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966.029 - 966.95 John Reeves

Here, I brought one with me.

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967.39 - 968.41 Joe Rogan

Oh, really?

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968.471 - 995.625 John Reeves

This is a story about how these were found. I got a call one day. I was out there at the Boneyard. My daughters have a tourist business around the corner a little bit called Gold Daughters. And Elora called me up and goes, Dad, there's a state trooper over here wanting to talk to you. And I look around my truck to see what I got in it. I said, okay, I'll be right over. I go over.

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996.867 - 1023.823 John Reeves

And we had some stuff going on at the time. I didn't think there was any reports filed any place. But I go over there and introduce myself to this guy, and his name is Eric Spitzer. He's the head state trooper in Fairbanks. He says, I was just out in the neighborhood. I wanted to come by and introduce myself. I saw you on Joe Rogan's podcast. I love fossils. I love what this is all about.

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1024.323 - 1048.195 John Reeves

My kids like to look for bones, and I take them out in the woods, and we look for stuff. I just wanted to come by and introduce myself. And the excitement in is just him talking to me. I said, well, follow me over. I'll go show it to you right now. So we went over to the boneyard. He got out and he looked around. He just couldn't believe it. He picked up some bone parts.

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1048.895 - 1072.964 John Reeves

I said, well, now you're a boner. You just got to find one. And we bullshit a little bit. He goes, do you mind if I bring my kids out sometime? I said, bring them out this weekend. We'll fire the pumps up. I'll turn you guys loose, and then we'll come check on you once in a while. And they found a pallor too full of bones. Little fragments of leg bones. And then they came back the next weekend.

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1073.865 - 1097.57 John Reeves

They found a mammoth tusk. And they found these sawed bones, a few of them. We got 15 of them now that they found. And so I told everybody those bones are now called the spitzer, the spitzer vines. Two little young daughters found them. Sometimes it just takes a new set of eyes. I don't know how many of those we've picked up in the past, but we never looked at it that way.

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1098.45 - 1110.86 John Reeves

So I brought one with me. This is the one that I carbon dated. And so this is the one that's 200 plus years old. You see that notch right there? That's what I cut out to send in to get carbon dated.

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1111.946 - 1120.412 Joe Rogan

And so this is some sort of a joint. Is that a femur? Is that the top of a femur?

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1121.553 - 1130.098 John Reeves

The lady, Jeanette Rimes, a Dakota huntress, she thinks it's a moose leg bone. But set it on its end there, other end.

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1132.26 - 1132.58 Unnamed Speaker

Okay.

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1133.641 - 1138.324 John Reeves

Now, 200 years ago, what kind of utility would that have to do that?

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1140.836 - 1142.477 Joe Rogan

What kind of utility to do that?

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1142.577 - 1142.757 John Reeves

Yeah.

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1142.777 - 1143.177 Joe Rogan

What do you mean?

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1143.918 - 1148.72 John Reeves

The people that did that. Why would they have a bone like that?

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1149.18 - 1150.561 Joe Rogan

I would imagine to get to the marrow.

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1151.161 - 1157.725 John Reeves

Yeah, but then what? You eat it. Maybe a candle? Maybe some marrow?

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1158.805 - 1160.666 Joe Rogan

Well, I would imagine they're eating the marrow.

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1160.986 - 1161.847 John Reeves

They are eating the marrow.

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1161.867 - 1165.989 Joe Rogan

People have always eaten the marrow, and that's how they do it. I mean, if you get marrow now, that's how you do it.

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1166.564 - 1176.394 John Reeves

But I think there's some utility to that bone is what I'm saying. Yeah. Just the way it sits. It could have put fire embers in it to keep, you know, overnight. Because this was 200 years ago.

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1176.995 - 1177.335 Unnamed Speaker

Yeah.

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1177.535 - 1183.782 John Reeves

This was 100 years before Fairbanks was discovered. This is even more of a mystery to me.

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1184.662 - 1186.303 Joe Rogan

So is this Russians?

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1187.364 - 1199.494 John Reeves

It's obviously owned by Russia. It's about the same time frame, yeah. Russians owned Alaska. And, you know, it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't go up. They founded Anchorage in the late 1700s.

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1199.714 - 1204.558 Joe Rogan

I think the utility of it is just a coincidence, honestly, because it doesn't look like it's been worked at the bottom.

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1204.758 - 1210.283 John Reeves

No. No? No, I agree with you. I don't know. Yeah. That's the whole thing. None of us know.

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1210.555 - 1222.944 Joe Rogan

I mean, I'm sure they have used some of these before like that for something. But if I had to guess, I would guess that this is just something that they did to get at the marrow where all the good fat is, you know.

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1223.325 - 1225.106 John Reeves

Maybe they had some vodka and they poured it in there.

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1226.507 - 1226.907 Joe Rogan

Perhaps.

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1227.328 - 1227.688 John Reeves

I don't know.

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1227.888 - 1230.59 Joe Rogan

They probably had some kind of metal cups back then.

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1231.07 - 1234.453 John Reeves

Well, those two lilies you just showed, they looked like cups to me.

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1235.492 - 1249.609 Joe Rogan

They could have been. They certainly could be some sort of a thing that you could drink out of. Certainly the right size for a good shot of vodka. But so were there supposedly people living in that area back then?

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1249.97 - 1267.512 John Reeves

No. No. Hmm. Hmm. That's right. Because up till now, the dating sequences have been 3,000 before present to now it's 40,000 years before present. That puts it up to 200 years before present. Which is interesting. It is interesting.

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1268.932 - 1270.333 Joe Rogan

So what do you think is going on?

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1270.493 - 1279.103 John Reeves

I have no idea. Does anybody have a theory? There's probably a lot of theories. But that's the whole point about all this stuff. Nobody knows.

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1279.644 - 1287.026 Joe Rogan

Well, at least we know you didn't come up with evidence that the saw is older than 5,000 years old, which is one of the things that we're thinking.

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1287.086 - 1299.55 John Reeves

Which is I was hoping that was going to be the case. Yeah, that would have been wild. And when I got the carbon dates, I went, ah, damn it. But thinking about it, though, it's even more of an interesting thing.

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1301.133 - 1304.975 Joe Rogan

How much of a recorded history do we have of that area from 200 years ago?

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1305.235 - 1305.455 John Reeves

None.

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1305.895 - 1324.842 Joe Rogan

None. So was it mostly like, have you ever seen that Werner Herzog documentary, Happy People, Life of the Taiga? It's about people who live in Siberia right now to this day, and they live this incredibly primitive life. Really all they have is snowmobiles and some hand tools.

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1325.642 - 1350.7 Joe Rogan

and uh you know maybe some chainsaws and most of what they do is just living off the land trapping fishing hunting that's it yeah and they you know they're the very low instances of mental illness everybody's very happy all these communities of these people living together just you know surviving living off the land subsistence lifestyle but i don't think there's

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1351.34 - 1370.694 Joe Rogan

much historical record on those people you know the people that are alive there right now if they were to die off 200 years from now what evidence is there of them other than you might you might find some stuff that they did you might find some trees they cut down or some some logs or whatever is going to be around still 200 years from now they'll be preserved

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1372.014 - 1384.098 John Reeves

Well, we did find a skinning rock across the valley on top of a hill that still don't know how old that is or where that's from. A skinning rock? A skinning rock. It's posted there.

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1384.758 - 1386.318 Joe Rogan

And it's been worked?

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1386.959 - 1407.344 John Reeves

Yeah, there's even a little indent on the side for your finger as you flesh something out. And what is it made out of? Stone from Eastern Europe. Remember, we talked a little. Oh, that's right. That's right. And it wasn't local. Right. So there was a lot of traveling, migrating, going on across that Bering land bridge because it was ice free corridor. Yeah.

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1407.924 - 1417.827 John Reeves

And it went all the way into the lower 48. So there's a lot of stuff that we find, as I said last time, that they say didn't live there, but it sure died there.

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1418.359 - 1426.654 Joe Rogan

Yeah, like let's talk about that. Like what different animals did they say didn't live there that you personally and your company has found evidence of?

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1426.915 - 1448.424 John Reeves

Dire wolves being one of them. Sabertooth being another one. I found one and my company found one before I was around. Sent them to New York City. I asked to see them, but they didn't have them available. And let's see what else we got. Badgers, elk.

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1449.585 - 1456.467 Joe Rogan

And they didn't think they were around back then? No. Why did they not think that elk were in that area back then? Because elk are in Alaska. Yeah.

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1456.69 - 1458.851 John Reeves

Because they never found any elk bones.

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1459.172 - 1461.693 Joe Rogan

Right. But that's it. It's just they didn't find the bones.

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1461.973 - 1477.403 John Reeves

They didn't find the bones. But they literally didn't think that saber-toothed tigers lived in that area. They didn't think that. In fact, in that film, that documentary film, Pat Druckenmiller, who's the curator now and the director of the museum, says to their knowledge, none of them have ever been found there.

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1477.863 - 1478.063 Unnamed Speaker

Wow.

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1478.872 - 1505.196 John Reeves

But to my knowledge, they have been because on a shipping manifest to AMNH that one was sent to them. The one I found was stolen by the British Museum, never returned. So I'm on kind of a little bit of a rampage these days about the museums and what they're doing with these collections. It's kind of a one-man thing. It's a cause. I think it's important.

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1506.05 - 1524.265 Joe Rogan

I think it is important because these museums are run by these academics and academics, unfortunately, some of them tend to be very arrogant. And they want to be able to control whatever narrative they have or whatever information they have, and they don't want to be open about it.

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1524.505 - 1542.355 John Reeves

No. And the AMNH is a private institution, but the Smithsonian is a public entity. It's owned by us. So they answered a different set of rules. The Smithsonian has to respond to a FOIA request. AMNH says, what are you going to do? Sue us. We'll stump break you.

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1543.422 - 1544.323 Joe Rogan

What does that mean?

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1544.763 - 1546.425 John Reeves

Bend you over a log and we'll break you.

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1546.925 - 1547.546 Joe Rogan

Oh, with money?

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1547.846 - 1551.049 John Reeves

With money, with lawyers, with all that litigation costs.

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1551.289 - 1553.851 Joe Rogan

Why don't we fucking crowdfund something?

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1554.093 - 1558.574 John Reeves

Well, because I have another plan. This plan's going to work.

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1558.854 - 1559.154 Unnamed Speaker

Okay.

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1560.115 - 1588.59 John Reeves

I have people in our state legislature working on this right now. There's a senator named Click Bishop who's on the finance committee. He's on the resources committee. He's the majority whip, and he's making efforts to get the bones back to Alaska from the state of Alaska. Okay. Now, M&H might be able to take on John Reeves. This don't break me. But they can't do it to the state of Alaska.

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1588.61 - 1605.399 John Reeves

The state of Alaska will go toe-to-toe with them some bitches. Now, after we get that through the House and state legislature, the Senate and the House, we'll go to the congressional delegation. You've heard what an act of Congress is, don't you? You know what that is.

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1605.88 - 1606.1 Unnamed Speaker

Sure.

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1607.701 - 1633.505 John Reeves

M&H, give them their goddamn bones back. AM and H is going to see the light. This is a political solution to this. Not lawyers, not all that stuff. I got nothing to gain from this. You know, I'm just trying to get them back in Alaska so we have that thousand piece puzzle to put together. They were supposed to be studied and researched and the answers to the extinction event are within the bones.

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1633.806 - 1641.812 Joe Rogan

And so you've never been given any explanation as to why they haven't done this research? No.

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1642.185 - 1643.026 John Reeves

They didn't feel like it.

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1643.346 - 1656.895 Joe Rogan

They just didn't feel like it. Is it because they don't have the resources or it just wasn't a priority for them and this was all done from the 1940s and there's no reason for them to go back and take that stuff and reenact the research or begin the research?

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1657.075 - 1669.803 John Reeves

It's impossible for them to come up with any scientific research because they don't have the stratigraphic information. They don't even know where it was found. Right. But I do. Let's put it all together, boys, and then we'll study it.

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1670.468 - 1699.107 Joe Rogan

I just don't understand why they wouldn't want to do that. That seems to me an incredible opportunity to attain enlightenment on an area that's fascinating. I mean, have any academics reached out to you after the podcast? Not that I know of. How not? How not? I mean, me just finding your Instagram page, I was like, Jesus Christ, how does this guy have all these bones? This is crazy.

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1699.427 - 1718.373 Joe Rogan

What is this place? This place seems like, what an amazing, fortunate find that you guys have this one spot, 2.1 acres, and probably a whole lot more around that area that you just haven't uncovered yet, that has this incredible wealth of bones.

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1719.249 - 1719.769 John Reeves

It's amazing.

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1720.29 - 1722.271 Joe Rogan

It's fucking incredible. Yep.

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1722.992 - 1727.855 John Reeves

And that's why that cut bone, by the way, I noticed you don't have a spitzer bone out there in your lobby.

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1728.136 - 1728.936 Joe Rogan

What's a spitzer bone?

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1729.296 - 1736.122 John Reeves

That's what we call the spitzer bones. Oh, yeah. You ain't got one of those in your lobby. No, I don't. I'm going to fix that shit.

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1736.322 - 1736.902 Joe Rogan

Okay, thank you.

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1737.162 - 1737.603 John Reeves

You're welcome.

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1740.08 - 1741.521 Joe Rogan

We do have the step bison head, though.

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1741.541 - 1743.261 John Reeves

I saw it out there. It looks nice where it's sitting.

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1743.281 - 1750.224 Joe Rogan

We're trying to figure out how to display it. I think I'm going to have a stand built and just have it sit out there.

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1750.684 - 1758.847 John Reeves

I've got people going, oh, he needs to get a Cadillac and mount it on the hood. Well, that's not a bad idea. As long as you don't drive it around.

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1759.287 - 1768.129 Joe Rogan

Once I get a ranch out here, I'll do that. I'll put it on the ranch truck. There you go. No, that's not good.

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1768.289 - 1778.519 John Reeves

It needs to be preserved. The Blue Bay bison was 38,000 years old. And they could have known each other back in the day. Well, it looks old as fuck. It is old as fuck.

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1778.66 - 1784.686 Joe Rogan

Yeah. What an amazing, amazing spot you have. Do you ever stop and just think how insane it is?

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1785.947 - 1797.157 John Reeves

I do when I have people like Eric Spitzer and his daughter show up and they're just the happiness. They're just so gleeful. Yeah. And sometimes I need to see that to remember that what we're doing is kind of worthwhile.

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1798.318 - 1799.479 Joe Rogan

No, it's very worthwhile.

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1799.68 - 1806.646 John Reeves

It means that people enjoy it and they like seeing it and they like doing it. We just haven't figured out a way to let everybody do it.

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1807.867 - 1813.31 Joe Rogan

Well, it just seems to me that this is an extraordinary opportunity to gain some understanding.

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1813.79 - 1813.97 John Reeves

Yeah.

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1814.09 - 1838.165 Joe Rogan

And that's why I don't understand why these universities or someone hasn't reached out to you and said, hey, we need to really have a full-scale investigation and find out what happened here. This is an extraordinary place. And it may... unlock a lot of pieces to this puzzle as to what happened to humanity.

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1838.906 - 1865.546 Joe Rogan

There's clearly some indication that we have a very limited understanding of the history of human beings in terms of What took place where we're starting to uncover these immense structures that seem to indicate that people had very complex construction methods many thousands of years before we thought they were capable of doing that? Many thousands.

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1865.886 - 1866.066 John Reeves

Yeah.

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1866.226 - 1890.756 Joe Rogan

They'll go back to Itapi, which is buried 11,000 plus years ago, back when they thought people were hunter-gatherers. And that's just what we found. And now they've done through LIDAR that whole area around Gobekli Tepe. They found tons of these things. They're all over the place out there. And that's how many more of these spots are there on Earth that we just haven't found yet. Who knows?

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1891.237 - 1917.519 Joe Rogan

Who knows? And your area where that... Have they done a core sample where they've gone through that carbon layer to find out what year that all took place yet? No. This episode is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. Running a business ain't easy, especially a small business. You have to wear a lot of different hats to keep things running smoothly. And when you have to do everything on top of hiring...

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1972.123 - 1995.966 John Reeves

And it's partially my fault because I tell everybody, look, Until we get our bones back from the bowels of the AM and H, nothing's going to get studied. If they want to do this and continue doing this, they can deal with Drew out there because we're not going to just say, okay, we'll study 20 pieces of the 1,000-piece puzzle. We're just two guys with one giant.

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1996.867 - 2012.763 John Reeves

My company had 200 giants running at the same time for over 40 years. recovered tens of thousands and thousands of bones, all of which were taken to New York, 50 tons of which were dumped at least one time in the East River and maybe more than that.

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2013.183 - 2019.745 Joe Rogan

Now, why did they dump those in the East River? They just needed the storage? I don't know. They just had an abundance of them.

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2019.845 - 2031.709 John Reeves

They had so many of them, and they said, ah, nobody's going to give us any money for this. I have an idea that's a good cover story for making sure your wealthy donors get a little something-something and getting them off the books.

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2033.1 - 2035.881 Joe Rogan

Oh, so some of them they dumped and some of them they gave away.

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2036.261 - 2036.781 John Reeves

I would think.

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2037.201 - 2037.962 Joe Rogan

I would imagine.

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2038.442 - 2050.626 John Reeves

Museums aren't money-making institutions. Right. And so I think a lot of the times they get something donated, especially when there's no control at all. There was no control on what was going on.

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2051.146 - 2052.566 Joe Rogan

Sort of like when we send money to Ukraine.

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2053.407 - 2053.667 John Reeves

Okay.

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2053.687 - 2054.507 Joe Rogan

It's going all over the place.

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2054.867 - 2056.288 John Reeves

Yeah, why don't we send the money to Maui?

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2056.568 - 2057.328 Joe Rogan

Right. Yeah.

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2057.648 - 2057.908 John Reeves

Okay.

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2058.008 - 2059.429 Joe Rogan

I've said that many times.

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2059.789 - 2072.755 John Reeves

$100 billion to Ukraine. We could have built a gas line from the North Slope to the lower 48 and a water line from Southeast Alaska to Northern California and took care of the people in Maui. Yeah. And still have some change left over.

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2072.972 - 2073.993 Unnamed Speaker

Yeah, a lot of change.

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2074.394 - 2075.175 John Reeves

But, no.

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2075.875 - 2076.136 Unnamed Speaker

Yeah.

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2077.397 - 2077.938 John Reeves

It's crazy.

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2079.179 - 2105.335 Joe Rogan

It is. It is, and it seems like what's happening with your bones and your property and the lack of, I don't want to say if it's a lack of interest. I'm sure they're interested, but the lack of action. It's symbolic of a lot of the problems that we have in our society today. Mismanagement, man. Massive. Massive and a confederacy of dunces that are running the show.

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2105.576 - 2110.522 John Reeves

Yeah, they are. And seemingly they don't care what we think. No.

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2111.283 - 2126.132 Joe Rogan

Well, that's, you know, they have too much on their plate. Why are they going to talk about some fucking dude in Alaska who's out of his mind? Blowing water into the side of permafrost, pulling out all kinds of crazy skulls. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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2127.173 - 2150.815 John Reeves

Well, I think, you know, I'm in business, you're in business. We have a divided Congress. We got half, a little bit more than half, that think this president we got should be impeached. We got the other lower, a little bit less than half. Not one of them think he should be impeached. So my belief as a business guy is as long as they're fucking with each other, they're not fucking with me.

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2152.616 - 2157.1 John Reeves

They're leaving us alone. Right. And that's kind of what's going on right now.

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2160.034 - 2180.198 Joe Rogan

Imagine that being the best case scenario in 2023 with all the information that we have today, with AI, with chat GPT 4.0, soon to be 5, with all the technology we have available, all the understanding that we have available. And we're still just want everybody to just leave us alone.

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2180.218 - 2186.685 John Reeves

That's the best case scenario. They stay busy with themselves and do what we want.

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2186.745 - 2190.629 Joe Rogan

Yeah, it's better than them helping us. Yeah, we don't want it. Yeah.

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2191.229 - 2198.697 John Reeves

But if the other part is I don't want to let my bones leave Alaska. Right, of course. They never seem to come back.

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2198.977 - 2200.378 Joe Rogan

Right. I wouldn't trust them anymore.

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2200.599 - 2200.719 John Reeves

No.

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2200.799 - 2212.228 Joe Rogan

And the British Museum, have they given any sort of an explanation of what they did with that saber-toothed tiger skull? No. Somebody's probably got that in their living room. Yeah, they do. Yeah.

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2212.428 - 2221.516 Unnamed Speaker

By George, look what I have here. Oh, my. I made a sizable donation to the museum, and they gifted me with this wonderful saber-toothed tiger skull.

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2221.88 - 2245.144 John Reeves

In that case, I think the guy never even got back to the museum. I think he just took it home. He was working for them, but they're a bunch of—it's like we don't sell bones from the boneyard. We don't sell bones. We've given some bones away. That's because I own them. I can give them away. They didn't own them. You know, museums don't own them.

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2245.484 - 2266.454 Joe Rogan

So they were supposed to research them? What were they supposed to do? There it is. Sabertooth Tiger Skull. Wow. A million dollars at auction. Yeah. Wow. That's 2019. I know a guy who has one of those. He's a very wealthy guy. And he actually has a real saber-toothed tiger skull on his desk in a plexiglass case.

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2267.054 - 2267.575 John Reeves

That's awesome.

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2267.815 - 2273.32 Joe Rogan

Yeah, just like that. I think that's how he got it. I think he got it at an auction. Yeah. Yeah.

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2273.62 - 2276.443 John Reeves

And how did he get to the auction?

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2277.243 - 2280.166 Joe Rogan

Good question, right? It's probably yours. He probably bought yours.

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2280.546 - 2281.587 John Reeves

Mine wasn't that good looking. Yeah.

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2283.386 - 2292.33 Joe Rogan

That was a good-looking skull. That's a good-looking skull. Yeah, his is a good-looking skull as well. His is fully intact. Yeah. No, mine wasn't that good. How many of them do they have that are fully intact out there in the wild?

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2293.551 - 2314.669 John Reeves

Well, La Brea, there's a lot of them at La Brea Tar Pits, I believe. Alaska's a, you know, you keep it in perspective. I'm down here in your neck of the woods. There's probably 200,000 or 300,000 more people live in this city of Austin than live in the entire state of Alaska. The whole state.

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2315.029 - 2316.349 Unnamed Speaker

Yeah.

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2316.629 - 2335.336 John Reeves

Yesterday, Drew and I were going, hey, let's drive out and look at the farms in the countryside. We drove for two hours. We couldn't get out of town. We ended up at the airport every time. But there's a lot of, boy, there's a lot of building going on over last year. Yeah. Seems like there's a whole lot. Yeah, it is.

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2335.856 - 2341.48 Joe Rogan

It's now the 10th largest city in the country. It's a little tiny-ass city at one point in time.

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2341.7 - 2345.842 John Reeves

Not anymore. No. It's blown up. When are you guys going to get a football team?

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2346.342 - 2349.324 Joe Rogan

That's a good question. That's a good question. I don't know.

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2349.584 - 2351.064 John Reeves

I don't know. I don't know how that shit works.

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2351.185 - 2353.926 Joe Rogan

I don't know how that shit works either, but boy, they love football out here.

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2354.306 - 2355.847 John Reeves

Houston's got one. Dallas got one.

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2356.167 - 2376.302 Joe Rogan

I went to the UT game. It's massive. Boy. Just the college team out here. Holy shit. Yep. Crazy. Wild. It's like a religion out here. Football is nuts out here. Yep. It's crazy. Yeah. It's a fucking cool place to live, too. Yeah, it's awesome.

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2377.722 - 2404.425 John Reeves

So we looked around, looked around, and said, well, let's just look around a little bit more. Saw parts of Austin that probably are not on the beaten track. But, hey, I thought, well, let's drive down to the border and see if we get kicked out of Mexico. Yeah. He goes, it's 485 miles. I said, we ain't going. Yeah, it's a haul.

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2405.945 - 2426.356 Joe Rogan

I've gone down to South Texas to do some hunting. And the place that I went to, they actually found a dead migrant on their property. And he said, it's not uncommon. It happens quite often. Poor guys get lost and try to make their way across and run out of water. They do it in July and just die out there, unfortunately.

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2426.84 - 2429.085 John Reeves

Well, I don't blame the people for wanting to come here.

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2429.185 - 2429.526 Unnamed Speaker

At all.

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2430.047 - 2432.774 John Reeves

No. My family, we all came from Europe.

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2433.375 - 2433.936 Unnamed Speaker

Mine did too.

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2434.217 - 2441.324 John Reeves

Yeah. It's just it doesn't seem to be any management of what's going on.

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2441.484 - 2452.49 Joe Rogan

Seems to be the opposite of management. Seems like a concerted effort to flood the country. It sure does. And not just this country. Seems like it's happening all over Europe. It's real weird. It's a weird time.

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2453.29 - 2466.237 Joe Rogan

This is the only time in my life that I've ever wondered, like really, really wondered and seriously considered the fact that there's some puppet masters that are slowly orchestrating the collapse of civilization.

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2468.905 - 2483.898 John Reeves

You know, you talked about AI. Well, someday, and probably not too far in the future, you'll be able to do your podcast without even being here. AI will have you sitting there, have me sitting here, and it will be guessing what we're going to talk about.

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2484.558 - 2485.899 Joe Rogan

Yeah, good luck.

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2486.46 - 2487.221 John Reeves

Yeah, no shit.

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2487.601 - 2509.291 Joe Rogan

AI is going to be able to do a really good job of recreating the kind of conversations that we've had but they're not gonna be able to really recreate human stupidity. I don't understand what happens when people get drunk. I don't think AI is going to be able to recreate, protect our parks.

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2509.911 - 2521.494 Joe Rogan

I don't think they're going to – there's certain aspects of just genuine human chaos that AI I don't think is ever going to grasp because it doesn't have a soul.

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