Josh Dubin is the Executive Director of the Perlmutter Center for Legal Justice, a criminal justice reform advocate, and civil rights attorney. https://cardozo.yu.edu/directory/josh-dubin J.D. Tomlinson is a lawyer and was previously Lorain County Prosecutor in Ohio. https://www.freetheohio4.com/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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This is going to be wild. This is J.D. Tomlinson, the former prosecuting attorney for Lorain County, Ohio. And for the listeners, prosecuting attorney is similar to a D.A. in most jurisdictions. They just call it the prosecuting attorney. He was the head attorney in Lorain County, Ohio. That's correct. Up until January.
So the reason why that's significant is the last time we were here, we were talking about that case, the case of the Ohio 4. So why don't you recap that for everybody, for people that didn't listen to the previous podcast where we talked about this.
So the Ohio Four are four gentlemen that were wrongfully convicted of a murder they didn't commit. And the last time I came on, we talked extensively about the case. You could read about it at freetheohiofour.com. We have on that site my submission that I made to J.D. when he was the prosecuting attorney and all the exhibits supporting it. But what happened is this woman is murdered. in the 90s.
And these four men become suspects actually before there's any evidence against them whatsoever. In two and a half decades of doing post-conviction work, I had never seen the police put in an affidavit where they're, excuse me, not an affidavit, a police report when they're investigating this murder That these four men are people we should look at.
Based on nothing other than there was a lot of commotion in the community, understandably so, that there were people from out of town selling drugs. No question, my client and these other three guys were involved in selling drugs. And they wanted drugs off the street in Lorain. So they immediately start looking at them. This woman is found behind a shopping center, horribly, savagely murdered.
She is stabbed multiple times. Her throat is cut. Her name is Marsha Blakely. She had been run over by a car. It was obvious because there were tire marks on her body. And several hours later that morning, someone that she lived with, gentleman by the name of Epps was found murdered in strikingly similar fashion. So the police are investigating this crime and run into a dead end.
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