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Whenever someone is like an interesting person and then I find out they do jiu-jitsu too, I go, oh, I could talk to that guy for sure. Yeah. You know? You know, I get excited when interesting people do jiu-jitsu because I think to the outsider, to a lot of people that are, you know, They haven't been exposed to what it's like to train and what it's like to be around high-level jiu-jitsu people.
They don't know that vibe. They don't know what it's like. They don't know the beauty of jiu-jitsu. I feel like jiu-jitsu is beautiful for people who practice it. You see Marcel is a great example, your coach. You know, Marcelo is probably one of the most beautiful guys to watch because he just takes advantage of these scrambles in this like really beautiful way, like fast and slippery.
And when the opponents react, he reacts in the other way. It's all just technique and flow. It's like, ah. Like the first time I ever saw him, I saw him live in 2003 in Abu Dhabi. And it was when he fought Shaolin. That was the first time I'd ever seen him in the flesh. Shook him out in like eight seconds. Oh, my God. This is crazy. But no one even knew him.
No one knew of him other than, you know, he was obviously I think he was a brown belt at the time. I don't even think he was a black belt. I think Marcel might have been a brown belt. That's interesting. I didn't... In 2003. Find that out. Was Marcelo a brown belt when he won Abu Dhabi in 2003? He may have... Eddie Bravo was a brown belt when he tapped out Hoyler.
He told me recently that right before that fight, his grips had locked up. So he went into that fight. It looks incredible. Just that arm drag, take the back, choked him out in seconds.
His hands?
Yeah, his grips from the fight before were like... Oh, wow. Yeah.
When Eddie beat Hoyler, he was a brown belt? Yep. Wow. Yeah. John Jock took his black belt off of his own waist and put it on Eddie.
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