Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with CEO of the Justice Defense Fund, Laila Mickelwait. They discuss her ongoing efforts against the largest adult content platform in the world, their shady dealings with credit card companies, top-down refusal of proper moderation, potential safeguards which would benefit performers, and how anonymity fuels psychopathy on the internet. Laila Mickelwait is the founder and CEO of the Justice Defense Fund and the founder of the global #Traffickinghub movement supported by millions around the world. She has been combating the crime of sex trafficking since 2006 and is a leading expert in the field. The Traffickinghub movement that Laila continues to lead is a decentralized global effort to hold Pornhub accountable for enabling and profiting from child abuse, sex trafficking, rape, and the criminal exploitation of countless victims. Traffickinghub has earned hundreds of millions of views on social media, and the petition to shut down Pornhub has been signed by over 2.3 million people from every country in the world. 600 organizations have participated in the effort and the impact of the movement has been covered globally in thousands of media pieces. This episode was recorded on August 20th, 2024 | Links | For Laila Mickewait: Purchase Laila’s book “Takedown: Inside The Fight to Shut Down Pornhub for Child Abuse, Rape and Trafficking” at Takedownbook.com 100% of author proceeds are donated to the Justice Defense Fund to support the cause https://Takedownbook.com Learn more about Laila’s organization the Justice Defense Fund at Justicedefensefund.org Sign the Traffickinghub petition at Traffickinghubpetition.com On X https://x.com/lailamickelwait On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/lailamickelwait/?hl=en Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Hey, everybody.
So I had the great privilege today of doing a live discussion with Lila Micklewaite, who is one of the most compelling and the bravest people I've ever met. And I don't say that lightly. Lila has been waging a one-woman war against
I would say, although she has plenty of allies now, against the Machiavellian, narcissistic, psychopathic, and sadistic purveyors of online porn, particularly at the site known as the Pornhub community. I'm not a big fan of pornography in general, and certainly not a fan of Pornhub, and I've been sharing Lila's tweets in particular for years,
for about as long as she's been making them, I believe, about four years. Anyways, she's mounted a very effective campaign. And so we took a little voyage to the heart of darkness today, partly sociologically, and technologically investigating the rampant spread of the pornography that's perhaps destroying our culture. That might be the case.
Certainly the facilitation of the behavior of the psychopathic criminals who generate and distribute that content is a civilization-threatening phenomenon. occurrence and enterprise. We also talked a lot personally because I was very curious about why Lila became interested in this and why she decided to devote herself to it so effectively.
And that part of the conversation was also extremely interesting. She was tangled up and attracted by the Hollywood fame machine and came to understand its essential soul-devouring shallowness, that pursuit of narcissistic self-gratification. And we talked about how her personal experiences tied into her sociological and political pursuits.
It was a very interesting live conversation up here in Fairview, Alberta, my hometown. So join us for a voyage to the heart of darkness. Laila, nice to meet you. I've been following your work online for quite a while. My wife has been following you as well, and I believe my daughter, and we understand what you're up to, at least to some degree.
You've taken on the biggest porn network in the world, the so-called... Pornhub community, it's all sweetness and light on the Pornhub community. There's people sharing their hobbies and interests, I suppose. And so why don't you explain to everybody just exactly what you're doing, I guess how long you've been doing it, why you're doing it, and what exactly is transpiring?
Sure, absolutely. Well, I've been combating the injustice of sex trafficking now for the last 18 years, and about A little over 10 years ago, I began investigating the intersection between the big porn industry and sex trafficking and other forms of criminal sexual abuse like child sexual exploitation. And there is a big porn industry, just like there's big tobacco, there's big pharma.
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