The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast
543. “You’re Not Gaining Weight Because You’re Lazy” | Dr. Mehmet Oz
01 May 2025
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down for a candid discussion with Dr. Mehmet Oz, discussing the toxified food environment within the United States—pointing directly to its causes—and exploring not just possible, but immediate routes for change. These include better governmental oversight, but also the implementation of new technologies such as AI. Dr. Mehmet Oz, newly appointed by President Donald Trump as the 17th Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), is a cardiothoracic surgeon, professor emeritus at Columbia University, and former leader of the heart institute at New York Presbyterian Medical Center, known for innovations like the Mitraclip and over 400 publications in heart surgery, health policy, and complementary medicine. He gained national fame through The Dr. Oz Show, winning nine Daytime Emmys and authoring several New York Times bestsellers, before becoming the 2022 Republican nominee for U.S. Senate in Pennsylvania. A Harvard and UPenn MD/MBA graduate, Oz also co-founded the influential health platform Sharecare and the nationwide teen wellness initiative Healthcorps. His public influence has been recognized by Time, Forbes, and Esquire, making him a high-profile figure at the intersection of medicine, media, and policy. This episode was filmed on November 13th, 2024 | Links | For Dr. Mehmet Oz: On X https://x.com/droz?lang=en On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/dr_oz/?hl=en Dr. Mehmet Oz shares his vision for CMS https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/dr-mehmet-oz-shares-vision-cms Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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If you gave America the knowledge that they could use to improve themselves, to feel confident that they had jurisdiction over their own body, to actually play an active role in ensuring that they don't develop those chronic illnesses, that they'll do it. If people don't think they matter, then they don't show up in their own lives.
There's no uniting narrative, there's no union. It's a completely pathological claim because we live in a hierarchy of narratives that stretch in principle up to the ultimate pinnacle. There's that, then there's the fact too that now we're all connected. so things can spread much faster.
It's certainly possible that oversimplified, easily understandable pathological ideas like viruses spread the most rapidly.
Hello, everybody. I had the opportunity to sit down with Dr. Mehmet Oz
Dr. Oz was an early advocate for me, a fair early advocate for me back as early as 2018, which made him unique in that regard on the legacy media side. And since then, we've had a number of public discussions and a much broader, a much larger number of private discussions. And that's been very good as far as I'm concerned. He's a very remarkable person, full of ideas.
exceptional level of energy and doing his best to aim upward as far as I can tell and quite effectively so and so it was a pleasure to have him today in Scottsdale where he is with his wife and what did we talk about? Well
We talked about the changing media environment and why that's occurred, the shift from legacy media to online media, and also the corruption of the legacy media enterprise over about a 10-year period, something that he got wind of as early, let's say, as 2012. And we tried to puzzle out why that was occurring, and that brought us into a broader discussion of
while corruption on the scientific and academic front, which is a manifestation of the same set of symptoms in a different area.
And we talked about the radical changes on the political side with regards particularly to the Make America Healthy Again movement, which is a twist in the Trump approach that certainly meets with Dr. Oz's approval because he's been working for years on the public health side and is...
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