552. The Feminism Debate: Can Women Have It All? | Megyn Kelly

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What is the catastrophe facing young women today?

Jordan Peterson 0:00
Half of Western women, 30 and under, have no child. Half of them will never have a child, and 90% of them will regret it. This is a catastrophe.
Megyn Kelly 0:10
Your life will be happier if you have a partner and children. That's just true. And people should be told that, and then they should be told the realities of fertility. But in my case, Jordan, from that day to this, I've always loved working. I love it. It's totally exciting and interesting and intellectually stimulating to me, and I cannot imagine not doing this.
Jordan Peterson 0:34
We do potentially have a major societal issue in that men have their pathologies that are expressed socially, aggression, antisocial behavior, drug and alcohol abuse, but there's no reason to assume whatsoever that women wouldn't bring their own pathologies to the workplace.
Megyn Kelly 1:11
So
Jordan Peterson 1:25
It's become mandatory in our culture to assume that the feminist movement has elevated women to the status that they now enjoy. I'm not so sure about that. I think that technological transformation and plumbing has had a lot more to do with that than ideological movement, let's say, especially one based on resentment. But in any case, it is the case that women occupy... position in society that was unheard of 100 years ago. There's a downside to all of that. And the downside appears to be the mounting unhappiness among young women, the precipitous decline in birth rates, the collapse of marriage as a social institution, and a spate of childlessness among young women, as well as the feminization of our institutions in a manner that often borders on the pathological.
Jordan Peterson 2:21
I discussed these issues today with Megyn Kelly, a woman who's married, who has children, and who's had a stellar career. And we attempted to sort through these 30 issues and come to a conclusion about how men and women might conduct themselves in relationship to one another and what the consequences of that are for the way we think about ourselves in society. You've had a very successful career and I'm kind of curious about how you've balanced your life and your work and how that's worked for you and what advice you would give young women who are apparently struggling quite radically. Now, young men have their problems and there's no doubt about that, but I think it's something in the neighborhood of 50 to 60% of liberal young women in particular between the ages of 18 and 34 who are who suffer from at least one diagnosable mental disorder, for example.

How can women balance career and family?

Jordan Peterson 3:20
And polls show pretty consistently that since the 1960s, the average self-reported happiness of young women in particular has declined and quite precipitously. So let's start with that.
Megyn Kelly 3:38
Well, I'm not surprised to hear those stats about liberal women in particular, because, look, I see it with my own daughter, who's 14. The schools today try to exploit young girls and young women's empathy to bend them to their democratic values. norms. They try to impose all of their left-wing viewpoints on these young girls by tapping into the empathy vein. You know, if you don't support Black Lives Matter, you're racist. If you don't support trans girls, meaning boys, playing in girl sports, you're a bigot. They're bullied. Don't be a bully. Be a nice girl. That's how we've been raised. for time in memoriam to be nice girls who get patted on the heads. And you're not a nice girl if you're a bully or a bigot or a racist.
Megyn Kelly 4:29
So I'm not surprised at all that girls who don't get inoculated against that kind of thinking at home who go into any normal school system will be indoctrinated in that kind of thinking, and they will wind up very unhappy, very unhappy, because her natural instincts will be to fight against things like watching a boy take all of her blue ribbons. But she's been told by all the people she respects, in the school setting at least, that she's a bad person if she objects to that. And I think that incongruous feeling is leads to unhappiness. I think the reward system of K through 12 and college education right now is for people who play the victim. And so much the better if you could actually be a victim. That would be terrific.

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