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The Financial Mess Facing the Vatican

07 May 2025

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Just days before his death, Pope Francis wrestled with an enormous problem: the Vatican’s dire finances. The world’s smallest country is now facing a budget deficit of millions, and a looming crisis in its pension fund. As the Papal conclave meets this week to vote for a new leader, WSJ’s Drew Hinshaw pieces through how centuries of financial mismanagement have culminated into a mess that the next pope will inherit. Jessica Mendoza hosts. Further Listening: - Pope Francis Has Died. What’s Next for the Catholic Church?  - The Mormon Church’s $100 Billion Secret Fund  Sign up for WSJ’s free What’s News newsletter.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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5.606 - 20.077 Jessica Mendoza

It was winter at the Vatican, and Pope Francis was desperate. Francis sat in the reception room short of breath. Aides shuffled in and out as the Pope worked through what he thought was a bad cold.

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21.818 - 34.888 Drew Hinshaw

And advisors and Vatican officials are coming in and presenting the details of a city-state, effectively, that is awash in priceless treasures but is falling deeper into debt.

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36.758 - 47.785 Jessica Mendoza

Our colleague Drew Henshaw spoke with us from Rome. How much did the finances of the Vatican actually kind of weigh on Pope Francis before his death?

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49.005 - 49.926 Drew Hinshaw

Right up until the end.

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52.327 - 72.396 Jessica Mendoza

That day in February, Francis reviewed documents underneath a cherished painting depicting Mary, undoer of knots. In it, the Virgin Mary is shown unraveling a long ribbon. Three days later, Francis was hospitalized with double pneumonia.

73.657 - 81.922 Drew Hinshaw

And on April 21st, he died, leaving his successor with this economic puzzle that one pope after the next has tried to solve.

84.163 - 94.47 Jessica Mendoza

Today, as the College of Cardinals gathers to elect a new leader, a major question looms over the conclave. What will the next pope do about the Vatican's financial crisis?

96.209 - 105.691 Drew Hinshaw

I mean, this is one of the hidden stories of really the modern papacy, is how much the Bishop of Rome is the ultimate bookkeeper for the Vatican.

106.652 - 155.7 Jessica Mendoza

How would you describe the financial mess that this next pope will inherit? I would say unheavenly. Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Jessica Mendoza. It's Wednesday, May 7th. Coming up on the show, do the Vatican's finances need divine intervention? For all its global influence, the Vatican is tiny. It's the world's smallest country.

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