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Trump 2.0: A Showdown With the Judiciary

21 Mar 2025

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A battle has been brewing between President Trump and the judicial system as courts delay some of the administration's rapid fire executive orders. WSJ’s Jess Bravin joins Ryan Knutson and Molly Ball to discuss the recent clashes between Trump and the courts.  Further Reading: - Chief Justice Roberts Criticizes Trump’s Call to Impeach Judges  - Trump Escalates Push Against Legal Norms  - A Presidency of Upheaval Emboldens Trump  Further Listening: - A New Phase in Trump’s Immigration Fight  - Trump 2.0: The Uncertainty Economy  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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6.616 - 7.036 Ryan Knutson

Hi, Molly.

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7.716 - 10.917 Molly Ball

Hey, Ryan. Are you ready to talk about all the hot court action this week?

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11.698 - 13.738 Ryan Knutson

Yes. Have you picked your team?

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14.238 - 27.903 Molly Ball

My team? You know I don't take sides. No, I'm talking about March Madness. March Madness. Oh, Ryan, I'm way too much of a nerd for that. I was talking about the judicial branch. Nerds love basketball too, Molly. Not this nerd. Sorry.

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29.763 - 34.765 Ryan Knutson

Right. Okay. The court. Yeah. The Supreme Court. The judicial branch. There is a lot going on there too right now.

35.694 - 37.335 Molly Ball

There is indeed. It's really heating up.

37.835 - 39.935 Ryan Knutson

Did you see this statement from the chief justice?

41.136 - 55.32 Molly Ball

I did see it. A pretty remarkable statement this week from the Supreme Court chief justice, John Roberts, who, you know, was nominated by a conservative president, generally votes with the conservatives on the court. But this statement essentially was calling out President Trump.

57.261 - 60.542 Ryan Knutson

Is there a showdown coming between the executive branch and the judiciary?

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