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What's the Worst AI Can Do? This Team Is Finding Out.

14 Jan 2025

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How close is artificial intelligence to building a catastrophic bioweapon or causing other superhuman damage? WSJ's Sam Schechner reports on the team at Anthropic testing for AI dangers. And the team leader, Logan Graham, explains how the tests work.  Further Listening: -Artificial: The OpenAI Story  -The Big Changes Tearing OpenAI Apart  Further Reading: -Their Job Is to Push Computers Toward AI Doom  -AI Startup Anthropic Raising Funds Valuing It at $60 Billion  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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5.578 - 16.146 Sam Schechner

When you hear the words AI apocalypse, often movies come to mind. Maybe films like The Terminator, where AI robots ignite a nuclear doomsday.

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16.547 - 20.89

It becomes self-aware at 2.14 a.m. Eastern Time, August 29th.

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21.731 - 27.175 Sam Schechner

Or maybe that Marvel movie, where AI tries to destroy the Avengers.

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28.556 - 35.553 Logan Graham

Artificial intelligence. This could be it, Bruce. This could be the key to creating Ultron.

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36.994 - 41.957 Sam Schechner

Or maybe it's the Matrix, where humans have become enslaved by machines.

42.298 - 64.493 Logan Graham

A singular consciousness that spawned an entire race of machines. We don't know who struck first, us or them. This is a story as old as humans have been telling stories. It's a creation that escapes from our control. You know, it's a golem. It's a thing that we make that then turns on us. It's a Frankenstein, or it's Frankenstein's monster, I should say.

65.464 - 72.569 Sam Schechner

That's our colleague, Sam Schechner. Lately, Sam's been thinking a lot about the AI apocalypse.

74.37 - 94.163 Logan Graham

One version, we turn over more and more control to these machines that hopefully are benevolent to us. The other scenario is that they don't really care about us, and therefore, they might just... Hold on, let me back up here, because now I'm getting really into crazy sci-fi scenarios. LAUGHTER

95.908 - 114.899 Sam Schechner

Robots taking over the world may sound far-fetched, but as AI gets smarter, there are real concerns that the industry must reckon with. Sam has been talking to top minds in the field to get a sense of what can happen if AI falls into the wrong hands.

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