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Bill Gates on His New Memoir and Dining with Trump at Mar-a-Lago
31 Jan 2025
In the nineteen-eighties and nineties, Bill Gates was the best known of a new breed: the tech mogul—a coder who had figured out how to run a business, and who then seemed to be running the world. Gates was ranked the richest person in the world for many years. In a new memoir, “Source Code,” he explains how he got there. The book focusses on Gates’s early life, and just through the founding of Microsoft. Since stepping away from the company, Gates has devoted himself to his foundation, which is one of the largest nonprofits working on public health around the globe. That has made him the target of conspiracy theories by anti-vaxxers, including Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., who has asserted that Gates and Anthony Fauci are together responsible for millions of deaths during the COVID-19 pandemic. Gates views the rise of conspiracy thinking as symptomatic of larger trends in American society exacerbated by technology. “The fact that outrage is rewarded because it’s more engaging, that’s kind of a human weakness,” he tells David Remnick. “And the fact that I thought everybody would be doing deep analysis of facts and seeking out the actual studies on vaccine safety—boy, was that naïve. When the pandemic came, people wanted some evil genius to be behind it. Not some bat biology.”
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Welcome to the New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick. Long before Mark Zuckerberg was toying with something called the Facebook as a Harvard student, and before Elon Musk ever dreamed of self-driving cars and conquering space, Bill Gates was running Microsoft. Windows established itself as the dominant operating system for most of the world's personal computers.
Gates was the avatar of a new breed, the tech mogul. And for a long time, he was rated the world's wealthiest person. His new memoir, Source Code, explains just how he got there. Microsoft remains one of the world's most valuable companies. But for nearly 20 years since stepping back at Microsoft, Bill Gates has devoted himself almost entirely to philanthropy.
The Gates Foundation is one of the largest nonprofits funding public health around the globe. And that's made him, maybe to his surprise, a divisive figure, particularly where vaccines are concerned. It's also put him in a tricky spot politically. The foundation needs to work closely with the federal government on public health.
And yet, Gates did not join Musk, Zuckerberg, and Jeff Bezos at the inauguration. And I should note here that Bill Gates and I talked just before the funding freeze last week had thrown so many agencies, including public health programs, into a state of chaos. You know, at a certain point, it emerged that you donated tens of millions of dollars to the effort to elect Kamala Harris.
Donald Trump won, and we are now witnessing many of your... colleagues in the tech world at the highest level, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, flocking to Mar-a-Lago and want to be as close to power as possible. You're smiling, Riley, but what is the emerging picture here?
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