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The New Yorker Radio Hour

Brian Eno Knows “What Art Does”

03 Jun 2025

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In the music business, Brian Eno is a name to conjure with. He’s been the producer of tremendous hits by U2, Talking Heads, David Bowie, Grace Jones, Coldplay, and many other top artists. But he’s also a conceptualist, nicknamed Professor Eno in the British music press, and a foundational figure in ambient music—a genre whose very name Eno coined. Amanda Petrusich speaks with Eno about his two new albums that just came out, “Luminal” and “Lateral,” and his new book, “What Art Does.” “One of the realizations I had when I was writing this book is that really the only product of art is feelings,”  Eno says. “Its main point is to make your feelings change—is to give you feelings that you perhaps didn’t have before or did have before and want to have again or want to experiment with. So it seems very simplistic to say, ‘Oh, it’s all about feelings.’ But actually I think it is. Feelings are overlooked by all of those people who think bright children shouldn’t do art.”

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2.642 - 7.952 Unknown Speaker

This is The New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker.

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10.056 - 38.28 David Remnick

This is The New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick. For decades, Brian Eno has been a hugely influential figure in the music business, particularly in the studio. He's produced hit after hit with U2, Talking Heads, David Bowie, Grace Jones, and many, many others. But he's also known as a kind of musical philosopher, a guru of the soundboard.

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42.242 - 45.104 David Remnick

Here's The New Yorker's music critic, Amanda Petrusich.

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47.455 - 63.747 Amanda Petrusich

Brian Eno is an English musician and producer whose career is so vast and adventurous it really can't be easily encapsulated. But here's my best shot. After leaving the glam rock band Roxy Music in the early 70s, he released a series of extraordinary solo records.

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64.548 - 89.421 Amanda Petrusich

Somewhere along the way, he essentially invented, or at the very least named, ambient music, which is what we now call any minimalist electronic composition. But for me, it's really just kind of a thing that you feel in your body, in all the soft and tender places that go untouched by thought. That idea of tapping into something less thinky and more instinctive is present in everything Eno does.

91.164 - 106.171 Amanda Petrusich

Eno's work has been a funny kind of North Star in my life. He's someone who's obviously thought quite deeply about art and love and culpability and desire and duty and risk and what it means to honor the very wild fact of your existence.

107.652 - 114.475 David Remnick

Amanda Petrusich spoke with Brian Eno about two new records that have just come out and his new book, What Art Does.

119.069 - 139.84 Brian Eno

I was an art student. I went to art school for five years. And in fact, I got my degree in fine art. And like many others of my generation, I then immediately joined a band. Of course. Funny. That's how it worked then. And I was always interested in this fundamental question of why do we make art?

140.64 - 169.166 Brian Eno

It's a completely universal human activity, but we don't seem to know very much about it at that fundamental level. This question, I've been aware of it for ages, that people think art is a luxury. We're very used to the idea that humans respond to pain and punishment. We avoid things that are going to hurt us. But I think we're also guided to a huge degree by the things that we find beautiful.

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