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121: Gut Health Essentials with Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

Mon, 19 May 2025

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Dr. Will Bulsiewicz joins the show to break down gut health—focusing on the power of addition, not restriction. We dive into the benefits of fiber, microbiome diversity, and how adding more plant-based foods can improve health. Dr. B shares actionable tips for bloating, constipation, and food intolerances, plus insights on fiber, magnesium, and why extreme diets like carnivore may do more harm than good.CHAPTERS: 02:11 Personal Health Journey and Gut Health03:01 Challenges with Whole Grains10:26 Generational Changes in Gut Health14:13 The Impact of Ultra-Processed Foods23:56 Dr. B's Personal Transformation34:08 Public Health and Missing Elements37:53 Challenges in the Healthcare System45:15 Common Gut Issues and Their Roots47:00 Understanding and Addressing Constipation51:09 Magnesium and Fiber Supplements59:55 Prebiotics, Probiotics, and Postbiotics01:08:14 Pandemic Effects on Gut Health01:10:35 Carnivore Diet and Gut Health01:15:38 Personal Experiences with FODMAPs and Histamines01:19:08 Understanding Histamine Intolerance01:30:51 Exploring FODMAPs and Their Impact01:40:20 Practical Tips for Managing Food IntolerancesORDER DR. WILL BULSIEWICZ BOOK:Fiber Fueled: The Plant-Based Gut Health Program for Losing Weight, Restoring Your Health, andOptimizing Your Microbiomehttps://www.amazon.com/Fiber-Fueled-Plant-Based-Optimizing-Microbiome/dp/059308456XFOLLOW DR. B ON IG:https://www.instagram.com/theguthealthmd/?hl=enFOLLOW NICK AND BPN:Become a BPN member FOR FREE - Unlock 20% off FOR LIFEhttps://bpn.team/memberIG: instagram.com/nickbarefitness/YT: youtube.com/@nickbarefitness

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Chapter 1: What is Dr. Will Bulsiewicz's personal health journey?

126.267 - 152.404 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

anything else or dive in just want to say appreciate what you're doing in this space i appreciate you saying that i mean i think that that's one of the things that i love about you is uh that you keep it real and it's honest and you're on your own journey and you're trying to figure it out and you're and you're incorporating pieces from different people and it is meaningful to me that like part of what you're incorporating is the things that i talk about on that note we'll get into it uh in a little bit but i was i was listening to one of your uh

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154.229 - 178.499 Nick Bare

Your recent podcast you did, it was all about whole grains. And every day I eat rice with my meat for my second meal. But I decided to switch out the rice yesterday. And it was, I don't know why I'm blanking on the sorghum. It was sorghum. It's high protein, actually. I saw that. I flipped over. I was surprised by how much fiber and protein was in sorghum.

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179.139 - 197.353 Nick Bare

It's got a nice texture, too. I enjoyed it. However- Uh-oh. I find, we might as well talk about this now. I find that when I consume certain whole grains, it wrecks my gut. And there's a lot of different like fiber sources that don't bother me at all.

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198.454 - 222.193 Nick Bare

But like sorghum, for example, yesterday, and it might've been the dose that I consumed it in, super bloated, super gassy in like the back half of the day. And the only thing I changed in my diet yesterday was from the sorghum. So I guess before we like, We dive into anything else. I'm curious, is it introducing the new type of food potentially? Is it the dose that I consumed it at?

222.213 - 231.035 Nick Bare

Because it was about a cup and a half of sorghum. Or is it like an intolerance that I might have to whole grains?

231.636 - 257.19 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

My suspicion, based upon what you're sharing with me, is that your gut is adapted to what your routine is. So your gut is adapted to having rice and meat at lunchtime. And then you basically shifted hard in a very different direction. All in. Right, exactly. And that your gut had never been exposed to sorghum before. So you're now asking this to do a new thing.

257.23 - 268.758 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

It's kind of like, look, we can talk about being in good cardiovascular fitness. Back in the day, when I used to go from soccer season to basketball season, I felt like I was out of shape.

269.678 - 292.677 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

even though i was running all over the place for soccer season right and so i feel like sometimes when we make that that pivot to a new food we have to just acknowledge the fact that hey you weren't eating sorghum before this is the first time you're exposing your gut to it so let's not go a cup and a half maybe let's start with a half of a cup and work our way up from there yeah i was laying in bed last night thinking about that cursing my name well i was so i was so excited you know

Chapter 2: What challenges do whole grains present?

Chapter 3: How have gut health issues changed across generations?

99.53 - 100.051 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

It's very true.

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100.891 - 125.327 Nick Bare

Well, I'm excited for this conversation. It's been really fun following your journey over the years since I came across your content. Reading Fiber Fueled and you being an educational resource has been powerful in my journey with diet and health. And I know you're a huge resource to so many other people. So first of all, before we...

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126.267 - 152.404 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

anything else or dive in just want to say appreciate what you're doing in this space i appreciate you saying that i mean i think that that's one of the things that i love about you is uh that you keep it real and it's honest and you're on your own journey and you're trying to figure it out and you're and you're incorporating pieces from different people and it is meaningful to me that like part of what you're incorporating is the things that i talk about on that note we'll get into it uh in a little bit but i was i was listening to one of your uh

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154.229 - 178.499 Nick Bare

Your recent podcast you did, it was all about whole grains. And every day I eat rice with my meat for my second meal. But I decided to switch out the rice yesterday. And it was, I don't know why I'm blanking on the sorghum. It was sorghum. It's high protein, actually. I saw that. I flipped over. I was surprised by how much fiber and protein was in sorghum.

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Chapter 4: What impact do ultra-processed foods have on health?

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179.139 - 197.353 Nick Bare

It's got a nice texture, too. I enjoyed it. However- Uh-oh. I find, we might as well talk about this now. I find that when I consume certain whole grains, it wrecks my gut. And there's a lot of different like fiber sources that don't bother me at all.

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198.454 - 222.193 Nick Bare

But like sorghum, for example, yesterday, and it might've been the dose that I consumed it in, super bloated, super gassy in like the back half of the day. And the only thing I changed in my diet yesterday was from the sorghum. So I guess before we like, We dive into anything else. I'm curious, is it introducing the new type of food potentially? Is it the dose that I consumed it at?

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222.213 - 231.035 Nick Bare

Because it was about a cup and a half of sorghum. Or is it like an intolerance that I might have to whole grains?

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231.636 - 257.19 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

My suspicion, based upon what you're sharing with me, is that your gut is adapted to what your routine is. So your gut is adapted to having rice and meat at lunchtime. And then you basically shifted hard in a very different direction. All in. Right, exactly. And that your gut had never been exposed to sorghum before. So you're now asking this to do a new thing.

257.23 - 268.758 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

It's kind of like, look, we can talk about being in good cardiovascular fitness. Back in the day, when I used to go from soccer season to basketball season, I felt like I was out of shape.

269.678 - 292.677 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

even though i was running all over the place for soccer season right and so i feel like sometimes when we make that that pivot to a new food we have to just acknowledge the fact that hey you weren't eating sorghum before this is the first time you're exposing your gut to it so let's not go a cup and a half maybe let's start with a half of a cup and work our way up from there yeah i was laying in bed last night thinking about that cursing my name well i was so i was so excited you know

293.919 - 316.057 Nick Bare

When I listen to a podcast or I read a book and something grabs my interest, and in this case, it was actually the conversation you were having with Max Lugavere on Max's podcast. And you're talking about whole grains and gluten-free whole grain sources. And I never heard of sorghum before. Never. I was like, let me look into this.

317.058 - 338.032 Nick Bare

And based off of the photos I found, it kind of reminded me of couscous, even though it didn't really taste like couscous, but it looked like couscous. Um, so as soon as I got back from my run, which I do this all the time, I went on Instacart and I ordered three bags of sorghum. So I then go to work, it gets delivered.

Chapter 5: What are common gut issues and their causes?

714.502 - 735.57 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

So basically like there's this impairment that took place. And what they found in the study was that if you reintroduce the fiber, you can get back some of it, but not all of it. So the concern that exists is that there's a generational loss that's taken place because we're not the first generation to be low on fiber in our diet. Our parents' generation was.

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736.351 - 760.902 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

But the problem is that if it started with them and then it transfers on to us, we're sort of receiving the baton and then carrying that forward. Part of the problem is our diet. Like you and I, we grew up in the 80s and like ultra processed food was taking over. Right. Like I routinely grew up eating junk food, chips, drinking Kool-Aid, SpaghettiOs for lunch. SpaghettiOs.

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Chapter 6: How can we better understand and address constipation?

761.142 - 761.502 Nick Bare

Yeah.

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762.683 - 786.646 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

Forgot all about SpaghettiOs. Chef Boyardee. Chef Boyardee. Yeah. Yeah. So and this is the kind of food that we grew up with. Yet at the same time, like I specifically remember I was born in 1980. I specifically remember when Nintendo, the original Nintendo, came into the world and it changed everything because prior to that, I was playing outside constantly.

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787.227 - 805.724 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

And from that point forward, everything that I did was so that I could get some time to play Nintendo. So maybe I played outside for a little bit, but then I wanted a couple hours of Nintendo time. So all of these changes that if you think about our sedentary lifestyle, the devices, like the average adult in the United States spends six hours a day on their devices.

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805.744 - 813.11 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

So I mean, that's six hours that we could be doing something that's building our microbiome, but instead we're sitting somewhere staring at a screen.

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Chapter 7: What role does magnesium play in gut health?

813.49 - 824.36 Nick Bare

I hate when I get the notification on my phone that says like your daily average. It's brutal, isn't it? I'm like, dude. Yeah. How, first off, and why are we doing this?

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824.4 - 838.835 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

Because we don't even realize how many times a day we pull out our phone and check because we get a little mini dopamine hit. Yep, that's a thing. It's this combination of things, including the exposure to bright light in the evening that's disrupting our sleep.

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839.475 - 852.61 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

that ultimately is putting us into a position where, in general, you take the average microbiome in the United States, and it's a third less species of microbes compared to someone who lives in a third world country. It's a pretty substantial loss.

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853.755 - 863.922 Nick Bare

What has caused the reduction in fiber in the diet over these decades? Is it the introduction of processed and ultra-processed foods? I mean, I would argue, yes.

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864.182 - 882.955 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

I would argue that it's really an ultra-processed issue because the average percent calories from ultra-processed foods for an adult in the United States is 60%. That's the average. So if we went to eating real food, right, if we actually ate real food, then you would have some combination.

882.975 - 902.107 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

Like if you're an omnivore, you would have some combination of meat and then a combination of different plants. And that's your plate. And that's pretty basic. And that's like actually a formula for success in 2025. Like, it's amazing how far we've drifted that we have to make an argument to eat real food to try to bring people back to normal. It's insane.

902.767 - 911.259 Nick Bare

You have a stat. That's like a certain number of plants you try to eat per day or is it per week? Per week. How many plants is it? Well, the goal should be 30.

911.359 - 937.075 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

And it's 30 different? 30 different. But first of all, let me say this, because sometimes I think people hear this and they kind of panic. It feels too much. Okay. So this is not 30 different vegetables. This is not 30 different raw vegetables. This is all fruits, vegetables, whole grains, seeds, nuts, legumes, herbs, spices, all that counts.

937.395 - 937.655 Nick Bare

Okay.

Chapter 8: How can we use fiber and nutrition to improve gut health?

1745.091 - 1767.334 Nick Bare

Yeah. One of my favorite quotes is that The concepts are few, but the methods are many. And I think it's very applicable to health and performance and even diet that the concepts that we're talking about, there's very few that we know are practical. effective and they work, but there's so many different methods to get there.

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1768.414 - 1798.109 Nick Bare

And I also do appreciate that people come from different experiences and backgrounds and potentially traumas that have shaped what they prefer, what methods they prefer to incorporate into their life to accomplish the things that they're trying to accomplish. And even if I don't necessarily align or do exactly what someone else might do, I can respect and appreciate that.

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1798.99 - 1826.239 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

Yeah. Well, at the end of the day, I, as a medical doctor, am driven by outcomes. So this is not about, like from my perspective, my platform is about helping people to achieve better health, period. And so it's not that I plant my flag and say, hey, you have to follow this to a T the way that I do things. And if you don't, you're a bad person. Like that's not what it's about for me.

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1826.639 - 1847.692 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

If a person achieves better health, that's where I want them to be. That's all I care about. And I'm happy if that's the case. Yeah. At what point did you go plant-based and stop eating meat? So it was a transition that took place for me. And I guess, first of all, some terminology that I think is important is like, I believe in a plant-based diet.

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1848.513 - 1861.461 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

And to me, a plant-based diet is not necessarily the same as a vegan diet. So to me, veganism is an ethical choice. And it's the absence of animal products because of the ethical concerns that you have. And there's a couple of different versions of how that exists.

1862.376 - 1888.507 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

Whereas to me, plant-based is the idea and the concept of valuing plants, acknowledging the health benefits, and not necessarily saying that your diet needs to be 100% made up of plants. There are many versions of plant-based diets that are actually omnivorous diets and that I absolutely believe can provide the health benefits that people are looking for. So to me, plant-based is an umbrella term.

1889.229 - 1910.519 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

that would include a Mediterranean diet, that would include a flexitarian diet, that would include versions of a paleo diet or even versions of a keto diet, or would include a vegetarian diet and would include some versions of a vegan diet that we would probably call a whole food plant-based, 100% whole food plant-based. So to me, that's sort of the way of the land as I see it.

1910.979 - 1925.356 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

And ultimately what I'm looking for is like a guy like you, I'm looking to basically help you to understand the value that comes from eating a wider variety of different plants and making that a priority so you don't lose track of that, right?

1925.676 - 1946.027 Dr. Will Bulsiewicz

And then whatever that makes up in terms of your diet, if you're thriving and you're feeling well and you're where you want to be from a health perspective, I've accomplished my goal. I feel really good about that. Okay, that makes sense. But you don't eat meat, correct? I don't eat meat. Right. I don't eat meat, but like, and I guess to that, let me acknowledge.

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