The Tucker Carlson Show
“I’ll Win With or Without You,” Teamsters Union President Reveals Kamala Harris’s Famous Last Words
Mon, 23 Dec 2024
Teamsters president Sean O’Brien on Kamala Harris: “Who does this fucking lady think she is?" (00:00) Kamala Harris and the Left Hate the Working Class (10:42) What Is the Teamsters Union? (28:57) Why the Left Ruins America’s Major Cities (38:40) The Democrat Party’s Abuse of Joe Biden (45:55) Why Establishment Republicans Are So Disconnected From Voters (55:12) How the Banks Are Killing the Working Class With Debt Paid partnerships with: ExpressVPN: Get 3 months free at https://ExpressVPN.com/Tucker PureTalk: Get 50% off first month at https://PureTalk.com/Tucker PreBorn: Save babies and souls at https://PreBorn.com/Tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What does Kamala Harris think of the working class?
I wondered, I sat and watched you in the stands at the RNC, and I don't think I've ever seen anybody give a speech at a convention, a very well-received speech, without endorsing the candidate. How did you convince Trump to do that?
Well, I think Trump and I have a good relationship. We've got a mutual respect for each other. Apparently you do. Yeah, absolutely.
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and you know i think he knew uh the struggles that we had with our membership we've got 1.3 million members so you know that membership is made up of republican democrats and independents um and you know we knew all along where our membership was trending and we had to do a lot of polling and everything else and um we had a lot of communication uh during uh the campaign leading up to the rnc so i think he knew uh the spot that we were in if we just came out and did a straight endorsement
But we really couldn't do that because our process, we interviewed every single candidate from the people that entered the race early to the last two standing, which was Trump and Harris. And we interviewed them in a roundtable with rank and file members in our general executive board. And we provided each candidate with 16 of the same questions.
And, you know, the Trump was, you know, like all of them, they weren't strong on some of our issues and no fault of their own, because I don't think deep down they understood what our actual issues are. But at the end of the day, I think he knew that by us representing speaking at the RNC, representing the Teamsters Union, that he was actually showing.
America, the American workers, that he was for labor, he was for working people. And my message was clear. You were there, I saw you standing up with him. And my message didn't endorse the Republicans, Democrats, or independents. It was clearly about what the American worker needs from the administration. I just couldn't believe they let you do that.
Yeah, you know what's funny? I mean, it's a political convention. The whole point is to nominate this guy.
Right. But, you know, I got to tell you this. It's funny. So, leading up to the RNC, we're writing our speech and we're going through it and, you know, we're editing it internally, all of us. Great team. And... We submit it to the RNC, the folks. I think we submitted probably a week prior. And we submit the speech, and some of the underlings in the RNC didn't like what we had to say. I bet.
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Chapter 2: What is the Teamsters Union and who do they represent?
So I called him on a cell phone and I said, listen, I said, they want us to modify this speech. He goes, I haven't seen it. He goes, I don't give a shit what you say. Do whatever you want, Sean. So 100% true. Oh, I believe you. So when we went there, I mean, obviously we were there.
I can hear him saying that.
Yeah, yeah. So he actually said, say whatever the fuck you want to say. That's exactly what he said. And when we went there, it was great. It was a home run. And I think part of the thought process from the Republican side was, look, if we get –
the general president of the biggest, strongest union in the country, that's going to signal to every working person that how committed the Republican Party is, the opportunity the Republican Party has to prove that they want to represent American workers.
It's just, I mean, that is a window into what Trump is actually like. That's why I'm laughing because it's just so perfect. And I, you know, whatever you think of that, I happen to love it. But that is never done in politics. You never get a candidate to say whatever you want. What?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was hilarious. But conversely, you know, we asked to go to the DNC at the same time. And you know, and we know that if we ever submitted that speech to the DNC, they would have shit a brick. They would have been horrified. Because the people that we were talking about, the corporate elitists and everybody else, those are the people that the Democrats have fallen in love with.
Those are the people I serve instead of the middle class the way it used to be 50 years ago. So we know that we would have got tremendous pushback.
I'm sorry, I don't even know. Did you go to the Democratic? No, we didn't get invited. That is great. That's even a bigger story than speaking at the RNC is not getting invited to the DNC.
Yeah, well, that was, you know, that was the vindictive side of the Democratic Party. And, you know, I'm a Democrat, but, you know, I'm going to call balls to strikes. You know, they haven't done shit for us. And when we didn't get invited, it's a funny story because. Two weeks prior to us speaking at the RNC, you know, we didn't hide from the fact that we were going to speak there.
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Chapter 3: How does the Left affect America's major cities?
When we were fighting with UPS in the middle of the street, you wouldn't sign off on a support letter. When we took on Amazon, which we're taking on now, you wouldn't support our efforts in Amazon. I said, you want me to keep going?
Because you can tell me what you've done, the one thing you've done for me and my union and my members, but I'm going to tell you all the things you haven't done for us. And then he's like, well, I really want this relationship. I'm like, we're done, we're done. And that was it. He left. And then I'm working out at the building on election day. This is great.
And look, I'm not a person that says, I told you so, or whatever the case is. He called, my phone rings. There's only two people that call me from a private line. Sometimes it's a commander in chief and someone else. So phone rings and I answer it. And it's Chuck Schumer. And like dejected tone. It was, you know, hi, Sean. I'm like, hey, how you doing? He goes, good, Chuck Schumer.
I'm like, okay, what do you want? He's like, I just want to thank you for supporting, you know, the Super PAC. I go, that was like four months ago. And he says, well, yeah, I just want to thank you. And I'm like, okay, great. It was like a dejected tone. And I was like, I got off the stand master and I'm like, this is crazy. But it is what it is. Why was he doing that, I wonder? I have no idea.
No idea. Do you think he knew they were going to get creamed? I think he knew they were getting crushed that day. Yeah. And, you know, I don't know how people, you know, so astute, been around so long in politics, couldn't see that coming. Was it obvious to you? Oh, it was very obvious to us, yes. Just by the polling we were doing.
And look, the one thing that we do, and this is a gauge that I pride our leadership on, we don't sit in our office and research all these polls, research all these opinions. The opinions that matter to me are the 1.3 million members that we represent. My general secretary and treasurer and myself are out every single day in workplaces talking to members.
asking them their opinions, find out exactly what their struggles are in the workplace. And then you get into always into politics, you know, this presidential election. And just the one-on-one conversations. We're in three different states three times a week and multiple industries that we represent.
And when you're talking to people, we weren't just talking to people in blue states, we were talking to people in red states all over the country. And we knew just from, you know, the rhetoric out there from our members that, you know, they weren't voting Democrat. And that's when we started designing this, you know, real extensive program and that included the rank and file members.
So we knew that was coming.
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Chapter 4: What are the issues with the Democrat Party and Joe Biden?
So we represent 1.3 million members. The easiest way to understand it is we represent airline pilots to zookeepers and everybody in between. We represent UPS as our largest employer. We have 340,000 members at UPS. We represent the grocery industry, warehousing. We represent airline pilots. We represent airline mechanics. We represent motion picture. We represent trade shows.
We represent public sector. We represent healthcare. So we represent everybody from A to Z.
So the name comes from guys who drove teams of horses.
Yeah, teams of horses. We were predominantly a truck driving union. Yes. Started out with horse and buggy and then through evolution and technology, it was truck drivers. Deregulation crushed the trucking industry in the 80s. We've been able to rebuild and organize over the last two and a half years. But because of deregulation, we lost 400,000 teams to jobs. Wow. Back in the 80s, yes.
But, you know, we're a real progressive union. We don't have all our eggs in one basket right now. We're trying to organize Amazon, which has about 400,000 employees, both direct and this DSP model that they masquerade as not being direct employees. It's a joint employer. So we're pursuing them right now. And we also...
are organizing in the cannabis industry where there's 425,000 W2 employees nationwide. Cannabis. The guys who trim marijuana. Well, cultivate it, warehouse it, grow it, and sell it.
And soon it'll be transported. So what percentage now of your members drive?
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Chapter 5: Why are establishment Republicans disconnected from voters?
I would probably say 45% of our members. Really? Between UPS. I mean, UPS is our largest employer. We've got some freight. We've got DHO. Yeah, probably closer to 50%. How'd you get involved? I'm a fourth-generation Teamster from Boston, Local 25. My dad was a rank-and-file member. My grandfather was a truck driver. My great-grandfather came from Ireland. He was a Teamster as well. What did he do?
Drove a truck or a horse and buggy, I should say, probably. Really? Yeah. And what'd your dad do? My dad worked construction and then worked motion pictures. What was he like? What was he like? Yeah. Oh, he was crazy. Hilarious cartoon character. Burly guy, Charlestown guy. Hard working, worked two or three jobs. You know, just a real family person. Was a street guy as well.
You know, he was a very quiet guy. quiet man, but he was true blue to the union. Always working, making certain that, you know, he put food on the table. Great guy and died too young. We had a lot of fun with him, but I had a great relationship with my dad because I went right to work in the union when I was 18. Doing what?
I worked in a rigging company, crane company, Shaughnessy and Ahern, one of the biggest crane companies. So I was always fascinated with the team says union. You know, my dad was my best friend and I have an older brother and a younger brother, and they're both on the Teamsters Union, but I was the one that always really liked trucks. I love tractor trailers. I love driving them.
But I loved going to the Sunday meeting with them. When I was eight or nine years old, I would go to Local 25 in Charlestown. Both my parents grew up there. My mother grew up in the projects. And I just remember being fascinated by the camaraderie of the Team Sejunion. I remember watching Billy McCarthy, who was our general president out of Local 25 eventually.
I just remember him being larger than life. And the Team Sejunion was so prevalent in my family. I'm like, you know, I'd go to school with these kids. I want to be a lawyer. I want to be a doctor. I'm like, I want to be a truck driver for the Team Sejunion. And that's everything I want to do was just because I learned it around the dinner table.
I was so proud because everything we had in our entire life was because of the union. And that organization, through the good times and the bad times, there were a lot of bad times, that organization never waived it on my family. And I'm like, if I ever get an opportunity, this is what I want to do. And I just moved up through the ranks.
It's such an antique world you're describing, such an American archetype. It's like out of a movie. I just hit my 34th year this year. But I wonder, I mean, one of the reasons I wanted to talk to you was, you know, well, for a lot of reasons, to get your political analysis, but also just that... The life that you grew up in, I just wonder if that still exists.
It just seems so thoroughly American, thoroughly New England.
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Chapter 6: How are banks impacting the working class?
I have my friends that went to school, and they graduated early 90s, chased the dot-com era, and they chased a lot of money. Some of them were in college. you know, insurance, whatever, but they were switching jobs every four or five years. There was no continuity. And they may have made a little bit more money.
I had a four-year head start on a lot of these people, and I bought houses and everything else. But, you know, they were always switching jobs. And I remember an old-timer saying to me, stay with the union, stay the course. It's not a marathon. It's not a sprint. It's a marathon. And today, like, the same friends... You take a snapshot of their lives.
They got the big houses, two SUVs, but they don't have pensions. They're paying 75% towards their medical. It looks great. The snapshot looks great.
They're in serious debt.
Right. And it's never going to change for us. Like you said, it's old school, old school values. You learn that around the dinner table. Don't extend over your means. You know, stay true blue. It's going to pay off at some point in time. And I think, to your point, you know, there's not much of that left anymore. We've got to kind of switch gears and do a revisit.
No, there's not. I mean, I'm 55. I remember that. I'm never part of that world, but I remember it really well, especially in New England. Absolutely. I mean— Willie Bulger was running politics in this, did you know?
Oh yeah, yeah, I knew Billy Bulger, yeah. So where my father and my mother are from, Charlestown, it's a white Irish Catholic community. Then over the bridge was the North End. And then you had South Boston, which was white Irish Catholic. The colony projects? Yeah, old colony projects. My mother grew up in the Bunker Hill projects.
So, yeah, we were familiar with the whole Bulger tale because some of it's not true. But, yeah, I mean, they were pretty powerful people, Billy Bulger.
My father's from Boston and was a totally legitimate or semi-legitimate person, great man. But when they caught Whitey Bulger, I think in Santa Monica in an apartment, my father, who was like 78 by this point, called me on the phone and said, fuck, they caught him. I was like, gee, Pop, you're really rooting for Whitey Bulger?
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