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Shawn Ryan: Biden’s Cancer, Kash & Bongino on Epstein, & CIA Attempts to Infiltrate Podcasts
Tue, 20 May 2025
Shawn Ryan on the Biden cancer lie, his years working for the CIA, and why suddenly everything seems fake. 0:00 Joe Biden’s Cancer Diagnosis 33:27 Everything Is a Lie 1:32:29 Shawn’s Career in the CIA 2:31:49 The Spiritual Revival Happening in the US Paid partnerships with: Beam: Get 30% off for a limited time using the code TUCKER at https://ShopBeam.com/Tucker Identity Guard: Get a 30-day free trial and over 60% off when you sign up at https://IdentityGuard.com/Tucker Hallow prayer app: Get 3 months free at https://Hallow.com/Tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What is the truth behind Joe Biden's cancer diagnosis?
So the Joe Biden has, it turns out Joe Biden has metastatic bone cancer. I saw that. And of course, you know, every urologist in the world immediately knows this is a lie. He's known for years because a PSA test shows, and this is a very slow growing cancer. And now it sounds like it's terminal. And so for 10 years, his doctors have known that he has this and they've lied to us about it.
And everyone's mad at Joe Biden. But then the other way to look at it is like, Who kept that secret from the rest of us? And who was actually running the government for those four years?
I think that's a big question, right? But I mean, do you know Lindy Lee? No. Have you heard of Lindy Lee? No. She was on the staff and she came on the show to talk about who was running the country. She said it was all the staffers. It was all the millennial staffers that were pretty much running the country and nobody was talking to each other. Everybody had their own agendas and yeah.
I mean, pretty much like all the stuff that we already knew, but she just came on to confirm it and then switch sides.
But, I mean, that's like the opposite of democracy, right? I mean... Yeah. I guess I vacillate between not being shocked at all. I mean, of course. I mean, he was visibly demented. So why should we be surprised that he also... Hey, by the way, he has terminal bone cancer. But on the other hand, it's like that is so not the system that we signed up for and that we participate in.
Yeah, I mean, we didn't sign up for it, but we did. I mean... Look, I remember at the beginning of the election cycle when Fox News was going on and on about Joe Biden's cognitive ability. And I was like, I mean, this is probably just over embellished, you know. And then I saw the first. Wait, were you watching Fox News again? This was this was a long time ago. Yeah.
But but but yeah, I was I thought because I mean, I think all media, you know, obviously over embellishes and just flat out lies. And I just thought, I was like, there's no way that this guy's that bad. And then the first presidential debate, I quit watching it because I was like, holy shit, this guy legitimately cannot put a sentence together.
I was like, they're actually not over embellishing this. And it was on display for millions, the entire country. Yeah. still won the vote, supposedly.
I feel like an idiot for being shocked because, of course, it's not a democracy. Of course, the system is rigged. It's fake. Because no matter who gets elected, no matter who gets elected, you get the same foreign policy, you get the same economic policy, and the Epstein videos remain secret. So, like, that just shows you that our system has no effect on the actual system.
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Chapter 2: Who really runs the government?
And he said something like, oh, he debunks another one. Well, then later on. Ryan McBath does an apology video because the FBI actually came out and said, oh, shit, the email on the on the podcast. They didn't want to name the podcast, of course, but they email on the podcast. We have confirmed as being legit. As soon as they did that, McBath actually came out and did an apology video.
And I was like, hey, cool. Like, Thank you. Thank you for the apology. So I blasted Gorka on X and said – because what is he in charge of now? I can't remember.
He's at the National Security Council. I think he's in charge of scrolling Twitter. I think that was his official –
And I'm like, oh, this is great. We got a guy that's running counterterrorism for the entire fucking country when the borders have been wide open for four years. We know there's at least a thousand people.
terrorists within the country setting up cells and this guy gets his information from an internet troll ryan mcbeth who's already come out and and apologized to me and i'm like oh this is perfect this is where intel is going to come from from counterterrorism a guy that gets his information from if it makes you feel better i mean gorka is not taken seriously by anyone who knows him i think including his wife and um he's a very he's a nice person for whatever it's worth um
And I think his job literally is just to sit on the internet and like send, you know, fiery replies to people on X. I mean, I don't think he actually has a job. Oh, well, then I guess he's the perfect guy for the job. I assume there's someone else working on counterterrorism. The people in charge want you to be weak. It's obvious. Fat, weak, passive. Take your pills. Why do they want this?
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of Epstein's story?
And I was like, he's like, I think this guy right over here. But he was hell bent on it. And so we did a call with Sam and he didn't want to come on. And when he didn't want to come on, I was like, I like that. Okay. It's playing hard to get. All right. So he wanted to go... Visit his family member of his. And he's like, look, I just want to go hang out with this family member.
I don't want to be there. And I said, hey, okay, look, we'll book you a flight here and book your flight to where you're going. And this should only take a couple hours. And he was like, all right, well, let me think about it. And then got back when I was doing the interview and wanted to come on. So Jeremy tells me on a break, hey, we've got him. He's going to be here first thing in the morning.
Well, I get done with the interview and I look at my phone and all these people are texting me about the interview I'm about to do. And they're like, hey, you know, there's this DEA agent that was on the op and his name was actually listed in the email. And they were like, he doesn't want his name to come out because he's still active. And I'm like, you know, I'm not going to burn that.
somebody that's still active in undercover operations. I mean, that could get him killed and his family killed. So I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to dabble in stuff that we're working on. But... At the same time, it made me extremely paranoid. I'm like, how the hell does everybody know that I'm getting ready to do this?
So then I'm thinking all the people that are texting me are controlled assets or something. And then we had another friend of mine send me a text and he says, hey, the Army's public affair officer wants to talk to you about tomorrow's interview. And I called him up and reamed his ass. And I'm like, why the fuck are you texting me this shit?
If the Army PAO wants to get a hold of me, I've got a website. I've got social. I've got all these things that he can get a hold of me at. And why is he using you to get to me? And why have you inserted yourself into my business? I'm sure you get it. When you're uncovering some of this stuff, it can...
cause some extreme paranoia, um, on who your friends are and what their motivations are and who's flipped. And, and, um, so I wouldn't talk to him. I said, I'm not talking to him, but I'll pass the number to my attorney and Jeremy and they can talk to him. And then when they talk to him, uh,
they wanted to kind of place it on PTSD, which wound up being the ultimate narrative from the mainstream media, right? PTSD. It being the motive for killing himself. Yeah, I mean, I think that they used PTSD to basically insinuate that he is a crazy person. But, I mean, pretty much... everybody I know and have worked with all my former colleagues. I mean, we all have that.
And I mean, I'm not going to say we're not crazy, but, but not crazy like that. I mean, it's, it's just a condition and you can get over it. And yeah, And he wasn't crazy. I mean, he obviously wanted to send some type of a message. I mean, you got a a Green Beret with a full career in special operations definitely knows demolition. And there is no way in hell that a that a.
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Chapter 4: How does Sean Ryan view the CIA's influence?
I think that, you know, I think that the major fear would be if, for example, China hacked our databases and started feeding our AIs false information that would be detrimental in a conflict or propaganda or whatever, you know? But, I mean, we are the ones, humans are the ones that build and feed the information into the data centers and... And it just processes all that information.
So I raised this question with one of the people who, one of the big, biggest, you know, forces behind AI. And I said, well, just turn it off. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm.
human beings run power plants and this person said even now we can't be sure that the machine is telling us the truth about where its power is coming from interesting so look i i you know i was a russian history major like i know nothing i'm not pretending to have some special insight but i did get hear that directly from someone who's deeply involved
And even right now, I mean, well, you know a lot of people that are deeply involved. No, not really, but I mean, you know, they travel. You know, with stuff like AI, I mean, it still goes to a human at the end, you know, to make that decision. Until you get a chip in your brain. Yeah, good point. But, you know, so for example... you know, for military use, you know, the AI system would
tell you what it is. So let's say it's a plane, you know, that pops up on a radar or something. The AI system will immediately identify it, tell you the capabilities, tell you your courses of action, tell you your different courses of action, tell you the outcomes of those different courses of action.
And so you have all these options, you know, that would be some type of an analyst or strategist that would, you know, take... Hours, days, weeks, maybe months, you know, to come up with the information to present to whoever the decision maker is to make that actual decision.
But with the power of AI, you know, and these new chips that are processing so fast, I mean, you get that information in seconds, minutes, hours versus seconds. Hours, days, weeks, months. And so you can act on that a lot faster because all the information's been processed, every possible outcome, the percentage of coming out on top. I mean, it's like a complete war game within seconds.
It sounds amazing, but the advantage is also the vulnerability. Now, I mean, if it's subverted because someone hacks your system and gives you the wrong coordinates or misidentifies, you know, allies as enemies, or you could see that going, you could see that being like the way you lose. Definitely, definitely. So maybe the guy with the bolt action 308 with iron sights wins. Yeah.
Maybe the lowest technology force wins.
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Chapter 5: What does spirituality have to do with current events?
When you say you don't put people on just for numbers, everyone who has a public-facing job understands what you're saying. But for people who don't, will you describe that a little more fully? What do you mean? You pass on stories, you said, or pass on interviews if the only upside is just that it gets huge numbers.
Yeah, yeah. I'm just not interested in it. You know what I mean? If I see... I'll give you an example. I mean, I had... If I see somebody go on the circuit that's like... I'm just not interested because then I'm just doing the same stuff that everybody else is doing. And I've canceled interviews. I've had people that I've been one to have on for a long time.
And then I'll pull up YouTube and there they are on the Tucker Carlson show. And I'm like, hey, cancel that interview. I don't want to.
I take your sloppy seconds with gratitude. I'm like, really? Sean Ryan interviewed him?
No, I think it's cool, but I just, I don't want to, I don't want to, I mean, you're a phenomenal interviewer and it's, and so it's, it's, well, what am I going to get out of this guy that Tucker didn't or Megan didn't or you know what I mean? You don't want to be part of someone's publicity campaign either. Exactly. You know?
And, and so I really, I, you know, I pride myself on being different and I've set my whole business up to be different. Yeah. and, um, as different as I can be. And, um, so I just, I, I just feed my own curiosity and I look for people that I believe to be a positive influence on the world and a good, uh, role model for kids.
I mean, I think the role model thing has gotten, it's just, it's horrible. I mean, who the hell do kids have to look up to now? That's right. You know? And, and so that's, that's what I look for. Just good human beings with good values that are pumping some type of good in the world, whether that's fighting evil or spreading the word or whatever, you know, and going against the grain.
And, you know, I was brought up to always root for the underdog. And I do that.
It's the most American impulse you can have. We were the underdog. This country was the underdog, so. Yes, it was. You don't ever want to be the overdog. No, no. You don't want to be part of the machine.
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Chapter 6: How can technology deceive us?
So I'm really happy about those things. I'm not happy that the Epstein files have not come to fruition yet.
I'm sure they're coming out any day now, wouldn't you think?
Yeah. I won't hold my breath. But I think that... I think we still need a lot of work. A lot of work. And I am... Losing hope.
Why? What specifically makes you feel hopeless?
Oh, man. I mean... Who's controlling our country and the influences and why haven't we seen these things? And it makes me skeptical. You know, and... I don't hear... You know, some of this is I may just not know, you know, because I don't, like I mentioned, I don't pretend to know everything that's going on. And I don't put the time in that I would need to to figure it all out.
But, you know, there's things like the energy grid. And it's like, man, like we really need to fucking do something with our grid like yesterday.
But is that more important than bombing Iran? Yeah. Yeah.
it is and yeah you know that stuff you know I get I mean I don't know I want to know like what the real motivations are and I love everything he says and the majority of everything that he says but you know I'd like to see the Ukraine Russia thing finally come to an end and And I like what they've done with Doge. I think that maybe they've cut a little bit more than they need to.
But, you know, there's always human error with everything. But, you know, and look, I'm just – fuck it. I'm going to get blasted for this. But, you know, I mean, what a – I see all these negotiations going on in the Middle East. And then I don't know when these buildings were approved or when these deals got done.
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Chapter 7: What is the significance of 444?
for people to come visit and to go do bad things. And it became like very Americanized. And I was like, I don't want to be anywhere near Americans at all. And so I checked a lot of spots out around Columbia. I went to Cali. I went to Pareda. I went to Medellin and then camped out in Medellin for about four years. Doing what? Doing what? Doing... Living a rock star life.
And a lot of cocaine, a lot of girls, a lot of... Basically what I was doing was chasing my adrenaline. Because I wanted to feel that all the time. It creates some type of...
imbalance in your brain when you have that many adrenaline dumps and you it's it's very much like a heroin addiction and um so i went down there and i started doing a lot of shit that i shouldn't be doing buying drugs that became a big rush um buying and sourcing and cocaine and um and so that's how it would get my thrills and uh what were you was that what you're doing for a living
No, it wasn't for a living, man. It was it was for the rush. And so, you know, I've talked about this on a couple of other podcasts, but, you know, there's a lot of like rumors going around there that I was down there working for CIA, setting up these drug networks when, yes, they do do that. But no, I was by myself on my own program.
And I've always been fascinated with narcos and kingpins and cartels. It was a major rush for me to go into the worst neighborhoods in Colombia and start setting up networks. Yeah. I mean, it's extremely dangerous for a gringo to be. I would go in neighborhoods where you couldn't get into the neighborhood without going through at least two checkpoints. And so I would go in there.
I would hang out. I would talk to people. I would buy drugs, cocaine. I'm bringing it back to my place. Do them all. Then go get more. Go get more.
What does cocaine cost in Medellin? It's five bucks a gram. So about a 20th of what it costs in the United States.
Yep. And so what I saw, you know, back to my entrepreneurial branch is, you know, what it was going to be is, you know, you get, I mentioned that, you know, Secret Service kind of put
sex vacations on the map for which is not technically their job for rich white people to come down there and and take advantage of that and you know down there i mean uh prostitution and these type of things are not looked at like they are here it's an actual legitimate career and um and um so you get these guys that come down and and that's all they want to do
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Chapter 8: How does Sean Ryan's approach to podcasting differ?
Yeah.
So, and I've always thought that maybe that was...
I mean, I've challenged people, too, because I think about it. I mean, it would be impossible. You know, I mean, they might... They might have somebody in operative do a five-hour interview, and they might say, hey, this is all we need you to get in that interview. It's this one fucking sentence. And...
So the whole other five hours could be complete bullshit, except for the one little thing that they want injected into that interview to create some type of a narrative. And I'm always trying to look out for that, but it would be impossible. It would be impossible to figure out what exactly that is if that operative is good. And they'll do other things like
They may do other things like, hey, we know that this happened. You're going to go to this show and you're going to talk about this. And then two weeks from now, that's going to come out in the media or we'll wait until the interviewer releases that specific episode. And then two weeks after, we're going to release this to the press. And then they're going to say, this was said on this show.
By this person before it ever came out of the media. And then when it comes out in the media, because everybody hates the media, but they still fucking watch it all the time. That builds credibility to the operative. You know what I mean? And then they go on. Oh, I know what you mean. Okay. You're tracking.
So I'm watching it all around me. Do you feel that? Have you ever had a guest where you thought, huh? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Yeah. That this person might be acting on behalf of an intel agency.
Mm-hmm. About a couple of them. Any confirmation on that? No. You know, gut instinct. I don't want to name a bunch of names because if they're not, I don't want to... Of course. But I just did a really good interview with this guy, Blarem Skoro, who was an asset.
He got recruited out of prison, and then he got recruited in prison by the CIA right after 9-11 to make friends with all of the Muslim Brotherhood, all the terrorists that were in there. And so he built a network in there. And then when he got out of prison— And so he would report back to the agency about like, hey, this is what this guy has done. This is what he's a part of.
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