The Tucker Carlson Show
Stefan Passantino: Liz Cheney’s J6 Crimes & Mission to Destroy Any Lawyer Who Dares Represent Trump
Sat, 02 Nov 2024
No one has ever gone to prison for the real crimes of January 6th. Liz Cheney destroyed a man’s life to cover up her role in the hoax. Here’s what really happened. (00:22) The January 6th Aftermath (05:24) What Role did Liz Cheney Play in the J6 Committee? (12:18) Cassidy Hutchinson’s Pivotal Testimony (32:27) Was Hutchinson’s Testimony True? (50:24) How CNN Manufactured the Narrative Against Passantino (59:07) The Intimidation Tactics Used Against Trump’s Lawyers (1:17:07) Hutchinson’s Motive (1:27:30) The Destruction of Evidence Paid partnerships with: Eight Sleep Get $350 off the Pod 4 Ultra https://EightSleep.com/Tucker Levels https://Levels.Link/Tucker 2 extra months free Meriwether Farms https://MeriwetherFarms.com/Tucker Use promo code “TCN24” to save Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Chapter 1: What happened in the aftermath of January 6th?
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Okay, so I think a lot of us who were watching the January 6th committee hearings, et cetera, particularly those of us who knew Liz Cheney very well, began to suspect that, wow, this is not unfolding in a way that's recognizable. And then you begin to think, well, this could be completely illegitimate.
And then by the end, I'm thinking, and I'm texting this to Liz Cheney, by the way, as it's happening, this seems like police state stuff. You were in the middle of it. So just if you wouldn't mind setting the story for us, what was your involvement in the January 6th aftermath?
Yeah. So on the aftermath side, I'm a lawyer and I'd represented a number of witnesses who were giving testimony before the January 6th committee. Yep. Mostly uneventful things.
What kind of lawyer were you?
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Chapter 2: What role did Liz Cheney play in the January 6th Committee?
So I'm a political lawyer, if you can call such a thing. I'm sort of the living embodiment of a lot of the sort of dysfunction of Washington, D.C. that you need to have such a thing as a political lawyer.
Fair enough.
of dealing with all of the sort of regulatory world of if you want to engage with politicians, if you want to give them money, if you want to lobby them, if you want to give them gifts, if you want to advocate, there's a whole myriad of regulations that surround that, which create professions for people like me to help people navigate what are the rules of the road if I want to communicate.
And that includes interfacing with government investigations, oversight hearings, all of those various activities. And so for 30 years, I've been a relatively anonymous lawyer whose job it's been to help people just follow the rules so that they can be heard. They have their opportunity to petition government. That's been my background.
I had a sort of career transforming moment where I went from running the political law compliance shop for months. one of the largest law firms in the world, a big major international law firm that had massive offices on K Street, heading up that political office to being asked by President Trump to be his deputy White House counsel.
So for the first two years of his presidency, they decided that they were going to need someone who had been around the block for a little while to help them navigate. Because remember, unlike most presidents,
incoming governments, which are staffed by people who have been in government their entire lives, and they just continue perpetuating the machine of being government people who are now working in the White House.
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Chapter 3: Who is Cassidy Hutchinson and why is her testimony pivotal?
That's how we do things in D.C.
Except in 2016, when President Trump comes in and is not only bringing in people who really don't come from the government background, they come from successful business backgrounds and traditionally not even so much from public companies, just not used to the fact that there's myriad Washington rules that are foreign to anyone who's not been part of that world.
They think that because voters chose Trump, they have power, but they don't realize voters have no power.
Correct. Without a doubt. And my job was to be the person who came in and really helped orient people to how do you navigate this bureaucracy that's called Washington, D.C.? How do you deal with all of the rules that regulate getting the job done that you were elected for? So I was The deputy White House counsel, whose job it was to make sure that people understood and followed the rules.
Now, of course, fast forwarding, it became entirely too delicious. If you have the opportunity to make ethics allegations against Trump's ethics lawyer, that's a story that's too good to check. And so I became known after having gone into that work and having worked for the president. I did that for two years. And then I moved effectively to the other side of the gates.
I helped represent the companies that were in the crosshairs. I did a lot of work for the Trump organization. And I did a lot of work for companies that wanted to interact and engage with the government. But I was no longer a government worker. I went back to being a practicing lawyer in Washington, D.C., And one of the things that that came along is the January 6th
investigation comes along, and that committee blanketed Washington, D.C. with subpoenas.
You see a lot of the very big names all having been called in to testify, but there were some 2,000 people that were called before the January 6th committee, including very low-level staffers, very low-level campaign workers, all of whom got knocks on the door from the FBI handing them subpoenas, and all of whom were saying, hey, well, since I'm here...
handing you the subpoena, you want to just talk a little bit about your role as a junior campaign person or a junior staffer or X, Y, Z within the White House. They were all getting brought in before this net.
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Chapter 4: Was Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony true?
I'd represented a few of those fairly significant folks, but mostly I was being asked to help these very, very young people who were just getting hailed before this committee to try to give testimony.
And it was- And they're using the FBI for this, just to be clear.
Oh, yes. No question. I literally, they would hand subpoenas. And I had one very young, she was working in the campaign office, couldn't have been more than 23, 24 years old, who told me the story of Not only did the FBI show up unannounced at her door, but when she answered the door, the FBI said, well, while we're here, you mind if we just ask you some questions about what you were doing?
What was President Trump doing? What was the campaign doing with respect to messaging about January 6th? Which to me as a lawyer, correct. There was a... Was this girl at January 6th? This girl was a campaign worker. So she was helping to put out, doing junior research of...
what was now colloquially called the Stop the Steal effort, that they were going after these younger folks trying to find out what it was that they were talking about. And to me, as a lawyer, in order for the system to work, Full transparency also requires that people's rights be protected. And that includes the right that you have somebody there who's protecting your interests.
If you are a junior person who might have something to offer with respect to what happened in January 6th, query to me whether the January 6th even served a legislative function at all, but stipulating that it was there for some legislative purpose.
People who are providing information under subpoena and under oath and under penalty of being found liable for false statements should have somebody there to protect their interests.
So you make a point that people might not be aware of. So the Congress is the legislative branch of government. And so the purpose of committee hearings in the Congress is to craft legislation. Correct. There's no other purpose. Correct. Committees in the Congress do not exist to use the FBI to hound their political opponents into prison. Correct?
Correct. And not only that, but the framers of the Constitution made it very, very clear. There are to be three branches of government. There is a legislative branch that is only supposed to be making the laws. It's up to the executive branch to execute those laws and then the judiciary to actually enforce those laws. That's a very clear standard.
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Chapter 5: How did CNN shape the narrative against Stefan Passantino?
Correct.
Our system affords every accused person accused of a serious crime legal representation, right? Correct. So you didn't, you weren't at January 6th.
I was not at January 6th.
Have you ever planned an insurrection of any kind?
I did not plan any insurrections. Right.
So I just want to be clear on this. Like you're not the defendant here. Correct. You're representing low level staffers who were not at January 6th.
not accused of any crime on January 6th, who had nothing to do with January 6th, and you're just their lawyer because they need a lawyer because the people conducting these investigations are so unscrupulous they can't go in without legal representation.
Correct. Am I characterizing that correctly? You are, exactly. And where I found myself in the wood chipper was that one of those people who I represented, who had given some 15 hours of testimony under oath before the committee— then terminated her relationship with me and gave diametrically different testimony to what had been said before. That's a crime, isn't it?
Well, some would say, but it's clearly a crime.
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Chapter 6: What intimidation tactics were used against Trump's lawyers?
Just without even getting into the specifics of this, which I hope you'll explain to us, but it is not legal to commit perjury, correct? Correct.
Okay. And it certainly presents something of a conundrum when a witness has presented one set of testimony under oath And then provides testimony under oath, which could be seen as contradictory to the former testimony. And both of those elements of testimony were under oath. Yeah, that presents a significant potential problem. Try that in a deposition.
Correct. You go to jail.
Correct. Well, it's one of the lawyer's greatest sort of Matlock cross-examination that everyone dreams of is, were you lying then or were you lying now? I've been there in depositions.
You know, they have the previous transcript. But I'm only making the point that everyone knows this. This is like really simple. You can't do that. You can't lie under oath, correct?
Correct.
So who was this person and what did she say?
So this is Cassidy Hutchinson that we were talking about who famously testified live before the committee. and that it became extraordinarily well known that she was an extremely powerful witness when she testified live before the committee.
And as one of the elements of providing that testimony, there was significant discussion of the fact that she had previously had this Trump lawyer who had effectively coached her not to tell the truth, had coached her to say, I don't recall when in fact she did recall. All of those things were being accused of me as the lawyer.
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Chapter 7: What were Hutchinson's motives during her testimonies?
which was Alyssa Farrah Griffin, was effectively operating as Cassidy's friend who started the process as a go-between.
Alyssa Farrah Griffin is like some TV girl?
She is a prominent TV personality and also famously not just on The View, but also was a, I think, a contributor for CNN, which a lot of folks... And I just feel duty-bound to report that she's...
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Chapter 8: What evidence was destroyed in the investigation?
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So, okay, so Cassie Hutchinson is, while you're representing her, is communicating with the other side.
Correct. And what that resulted in, and we've now learned through some fantastic work that has been done by the House, Chairman Loudermilk of the House Admin Oversight Committee,
Uncovered documents that I just would not have believed still existed or would have been turned over to the government, which effectively prove that there was this back channel of conversation between Liz Cheney and her staff, both of whom are lawyers and others, effectively to say, We have more we want to say.
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