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Chapter 1: What is the impact of the Trump presidency on climate progress?
How bad will a Trump presidency be for the climate?
There's a lot to be hopeful about. What gives you that hope?
Hi, I'm John Glenn Hill, and we get a lot of calls to the Explain It To Me hotline. And quite a few have been from listeners wondering, what's going on with climate change? We know that President Donald Trump is a climate skeptic. And he's been doing a lot in his three months back in office to slow down the climate progress that's been made. So where does that leave us now?
To answer this question, I brought in a colleague, someone whose job it is to think about the changing climate and who knows how to cover it in a way that doesn't make us want to throw up our hands in despair.
So I am Paige Vega. I'm Vox's climate editor, and I think I'm the only Voxer that lives in southwestern Colorado. I live in a little mountain town in the Four Corners region, and I've got two dogs, and we hang out in the mountains, and yeah, it's a pretty nice situation.
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Chapter 2: Who is Paige Vega and what is her perspective on climate change?
Yeah, I'm very jealous of your access to green chili. I want to play you these questions we got from a listener named Sophie.
My main questions are, what, as related to climate change, is likely to happen at the federal level? What's the risk in terms of our ability to address the climate crisis? And then what can be done at a state and local level to make meaningful action towards addressing the climate crisis?
So I have good news for listeners and readers like Sophie who are concerned about what they're seeing come out of the White House and Trump's executive actions to derail the clean energy transition and climate progress. The news is our climate is not doomed. Full stop.
Trump is doing a lot of things, but we are unlikely to see all of the momentum that's been building for years around the clean energy transition fully stop. And if you do take a step back and look at the economic trends associated with wind, solar, renewable energies of all kinds across the board, EVs, the picture is much bigger than just the United States.
And on the global scale, there is a lot to be hopeful about there.
Okay, I want to get into the Trump of it all. What is the president doing to kind of stymie that climate progress?
Yeah, he's doing a lot. And readers are right to be concerned about all of the headlines that they've been seeing over the last, you know, several weeks and months since Trump took office. But the one thing that's really important to keep in mind here before we go down, you know, this long list of assaults is that Joe Biden actually produced more oil than Trump did in his first term.
And one thing that I talk about a lot with Fox's other climate reporters is how How do we make good decisions around the stories that we're covering coming out of Trump? Because he says a lot of things. But does what he says actually translate to concrete action and consequences?
And we looked back at his first term and wanted to really interrogate, like, what are the lasting legacies in terms of climate and energy policy that came out of Trump 1? And there wasn't actually a lot that stuck. So what happened is Trump did a lot of similar things that we're seeing him do now during his first term, but then Biden came into office and reversed a lot of those policies.
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Chapter 3: What federal actions are influencing the climate agenda under Trump?
Biden put us back into the Paris Agreement.
And as of today, the United States is officially once again a party to the Paris Agreement, which we helped put together.
Trump is also attempting to, you know, curtail the ability of states to regulate vehicle emissions. We saw him do that in his first term.
The assault on the American auto industry, believe me, is over.
Biden came into office and reversed that.
The United States of America will meet our emissions targets by 2030.
So Trump, on day one of his second term here, he declared an energy emergency.
We will drill, baby, drill.
and had a flurry of executive orders that are all really intended to gut federal climate efforts, roll back regulations that are aimed at limiting things like pollution. He wants to give a major boost to the fossil fuel industry, and he wants to evade efforts to really reduce global warming.
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Chapter 4: How is the global clean energy landscape evolving, especially in China?
Yeah, BYD is really taking the lead here in terms of the global picture on the EV race.
OK, we've talked about globally. We've talked about the federal level. Outside of the federal level, can we expect to see a lot of action happening on that state and local level?
The states are going to be very important here in the next couple of years. Trump can't control the price of energy. Trump can't control a lot of things outside of public land. energy development and a lot of US energy production happens on state lands or on the state level.
And many states across the country have set their own goals and targets for climate progress and have not abandoned those goals. We also see Republican states and Republican districts benefiting far more than we're seeing blue states benefit from climate incentives and things like the Inflation Reduction Act that Joe Biden passed.
This was a major climate legislation that pumped a ton of money into the energy transition and really shifting the economy to accommodate that. So Trump's going to not face exactly an easy path to begin to reverse some of those things.
Paige Vega, climate editor for Vox.com. We'll catch up with her again later, but first a break. When we come back, we're going to hear from our colleague Vinci about one red state that's making big moves on energy.
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Chapter 5: What role do states and local governments play in advancing climate action?
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We're back. It's Explain It To Me. So what does the clean energy transition look like in a state that's solidly Republican? Let's ask our colleague Benji Jones, environmental correspondent at Vox. OK, so you focus this story you wrote on Iowa. Why Iowa? Why Iowa?
I am from Iowa. I'm from a small town in the, like, nose in the southeast corner. And whenever I go home to visit my parents who are still there, I'm seeing these open expanses of farmland, and then in the distance, a bunch of windmills, wind turbines.
And actually, when I looked into this a few years ago, I found out that Iowa gets a larger share of its energy from wind power than any other state in the country.
Two decades ago, there were only a few hundred wind turbines in Iowa. Now there are more than 6,000 in this state.
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Chapter 6: How is Iowa, a Republican stronghold, leading in wind energy production?
So it's like this massive wind powerhouse And that fact is interesting to me because Iowa is also a Republican stronghold. It's voted for Trump in 2016, 2020, most recently in 2024. Trump won in a landslide. And Trump and wind power tend to be at odds.
I've seen the most beautiful fields, farms, fields, most gorgeous things you've ever seen. And then you have these ugly things going up.
Trump, I would say, is like the most anti-wind energy president in history.
And they say the noise causes cancer. You tell me that one, okay? You know, the thing makes it so... And of course, it's like a graveyard for birds.
He like really hates wind energy and this dates back to at least 2012 when he kind of got into a fight with a town in Scotland over putting up wind turbines in the site of his golf course that he was opening.
During a Scottish government hearing, Trump warned that wind turbines are a threat to their country's tourism industry.
Wind turbines made in China are going to be the destruction and the almost a total destruction of your tourism industry.
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Chapter 7: What are Donald Trump's views and actions regarding wind energy?
He's, over the years, just been very, very outspoken against wind, calling turbines monstrosities, telling people that they kill whales, which we don't think they do.
They're dangerous. You see what's happening up in the Massachusetts area with the whales, where they had two whales wash ashore in, I think, a 17-year period. And now they had 14 this season. The windmills are driving the whales crazy, obviously.
There's no evidence of that. So yeah, very anti-wind. And he's putting real actions behind that anti-wind stance. So literally on his first day in office, he signed an executive order that effectively suspends new federal offshore wind leases. and also temporarily suspends new and renewed approvals, federal approvals for both offshore and onshore wind projects.
So he's already trying to get in the way of this industry. And this is a bigger issue right now for offshore wind. And we're already starting to see some companies in the wind industry, getting cold feet, pulling projects. There's also concerns around tariffs. So a lot of the parts for wind turbines are imported. Iowa has manufacturing facilities for turbines.
Some of those parts are definitely going to be coming from out of the country. And so we could see an increase in the cost of turbines, probably in like the single digits. There's also this question of whether the tax credits for wind power. So you can get tax credits for wind energy right now.
There's a question about whether Congress under Republican control might do away with those tax credits, which would make wind more expensive. So there's kind of like a lot of I hate headwinds. Everyone makes that pun. I hate it. But there are serious like roadblocks for wind industry at the hands of Trump.
OK, so Trump has this ongoing beef with wind and wind turbines. How will these policies impact Iowa?
The short answer is that it's not clear yet. And so you could see, for example, the cost of turbines going up, which could be reflected in energy bills across the state. Iowa has fairly cheap electricity bills, and that's something that is important, especially to companies that are coming there and building data centers and so forth. So we could see a change in the cost of energy.
You could see a slowdown in the buildout of wind farms. That's another issue. But ultimately, it's going to be like a time will tell how bad Trump's policies are going to hit the state.
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