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Israel-Lebanon Ceasefire, Trump's Spending Cuts, A Conservative Activist's Plan
Tue, 26 Nov 2024
A possible 60-day ceasefire is in the works between Israel and Lebanon. President-elect Trump is promising big cuts in government spending and he wants to use a little-known tool to make them. And, a look at what conservative activist Leonard Leo plans to focus on during the next Trump administration. Want more comprehensive analysis of the most important news of the day, plus a little fun? Subscribe to the Up First newsletter.Today's episode of Up First was edited by Didrik Schanche, Roberta Rampton, Jan Johnson, Lisa Thomson and Mohamad ElBardicy. It was produced by Ziad Buchh, Nia Dumas and Lilly Quiroz. We get engineering support from Arthur Laurent. And our technical director is Carleigh Strange. Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy
Chapter 1: What is the current situation regarding the ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon?
Officials say they're close to getting a temporary truce between Israel and Hezbollah.
They've been trading fire for over a year. In the last two months, Israeli attacks escalated, decimating Hezbollah's leadership in parts of Lebanon. I'm Laila Faldil, that's Rob Schmitz, and this is Up First from NPR News.
Congress holds the power of the purse, but could the future president take that power?
To further crack down on rampant waste in the federal government, we're going to bring back presidential impoundment authority, which nobody knows what it is.
Or look at one way President-elect Trump could slash government spending.
And what a man central to the conservative legal movement plans to focus on during the next administration. I want to crush liberal dominance. Stay with us. We'll give you the news you need to start your day. A possible ceasefire is in the works between Israel and Lebanon.
Yeah, both Israeli and Lebanese officials are set to hold meetings and vote on the proposal this week. Israel and Hezbollah had been fighting a low-level conflict for more than a year now. Then, in late September, Israel widened its airstrikes on Lebanon and sent in ground troops, killing most of Hezbollah's leadership and devastating the country.
The UN estimates a quarter of Lebanon's population has been displaced.
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Chapter 2: What are the terms of the proposed ceasefire?
For more on the details of the ceasefire, we're joined now by NPR's Lauren Frayer in the Lebanese capital, Beirut. Lauren, what are the terms of this proposal?
So it's not a done deal yet, but here's what we understand. It would be an initial two-month ceasefire. 60 days takes us to Donald Trump's inauguration. Israeli troops would withdraw from Lebanon. Hezbollah would pull its fighters and weapons north of the Litani River. That's about 20 miles from the Israeli border. The Lebanese army would move in alongside UN peacekeepers who are already there.
An international committee would be set up to monitor implementation of this ceasefire. Incidentally, these are basically the terms of the last ceasefire between Israel and Lebanon in 2006, which was never fully implemented.
The U.S. and Israel, of course, consider Hezbollah a terrorist group. So how do these talks work?
So Hezbollah is really the power broker in this country, but it is the Lebanese government that is negotiating and signing this agreement. The speaker of the Lebanese parliament is close to Hezbollah and is sort of deputized to negotiate on Hezbollah's behalf. So he's been shuttling back and forth between Hezbollah and the U.S.
envoy, Amos Hochstein, who has been shuttling back and forth between Beirut and Jerusalem, which explains in part, aside from all these sensitivities, why this process is just so time-consuming.
Right. So in Washington, of course, U.S. officials have been characterizing this as close to a deal, but not quite there yet. So what are some of these stumbling blocks that we're seeing?
So one of them is Israel wants the freedom to attack Hezbollah if it thinks the group is violating the ceasefire by keeping weapons near the Israeli border, for example. By the way, Israeli surveillance here is intense. I don't know if you can hear me, but there's Israeli drone buzzing over the building where I am right now. If the U.S.
guarantees Israel the right to strike preemptively, that could be seen here in Lebanon as a violation of this country's sovereignty and really a red line on this side. NPR spoke this morning to a Lebanese member of parliament. His name is Simon Abiramiya. And he basically says no matter what the U.S.
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Chapter 3: How could President-elect Trump implement spending cuts?
And on Friday, he announced his pick for someone to wield that tool. It's Russ Vogt, a key architect of Project 2025, who will lead the White House Budget Office. NPR White House correspondent. Franco Ordonez joins me now in the studio to break this all down. Good morning, Franco. Hey, Rob. So let's get into this. You know, we heard Trump there say nobody knows what impoundment authority is.
I mean, this sounds like something you might do to a dog. What does the incoming administration say about this?
Chapter 4: What is presidential impoundment authority?
Yeah, so Congress has the power of the purse, right? It decides how money should be spent. Impoundment, it is an odd word. is when the president kind of holds back money that Congress has approved for a specific purpose. Trump and his allies, like Russ Vogt, argue a president has the right or should have the right to not spend those funds.
And that's raising alarm bells across Washington that Trump may be trying to overstep his power. So what does the law say about that? Well, there is a law on the books. It's called the Impoundment Control Act of 1974. It requires that the president spend money as Congress directs. I talked to Eloise Pasikoff. She's a Georgetown law professor.
She says it's all part of the system's checks and balances.
I'm cautiously optimistic because I think that this is the way the system is supposed to work. I believe in the rule of law. I believe in government institutions doing what they're set up to do. I'm also worried because these are complicated times.
But Vote has argued, and I'd say forcefully, that it's unconstitutional. Trump is nominating him for his old job, the director of the Office of Management and Budget. Vote told me last year when talking about Project 2025 that empowerment could be useful. And here he is talking about it on Fox Business.
I believe that the loss of impoundment authority, which 200 years of presidents enjoyed, was the original sin in eliminating the ability from a branch on branch to control spending. And we're going to need to bring that back.
So, of course, how would Trump bring that back?
Well, I mean, he tested it out once before in his first term. He impounded foreign aid for Ukraine, but Congress objected. It was part of his first impeachment. So we'll see what Congress does this time with Republicans in control. Several of Trump's top aides want to use it. That includes Elon Musk, the tech billionaire, and former GOP presidential hopeful Vivek Ramaswamy.
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Chapter 5: What concerns are being raised about Trump's spending cuts?
Chapter 6: Who is Russ Vogt and what role will he play?
But Vote has argued, and I'd say forcefully, that it's unconstitutional. Trump is nominating him for his old job, the director of the Office of Management and Budget. Vote told me last year when talking about Project 2025 that empowerment could be useful. And here he is talking about it on Fox Business.
I believe that the loss of impoundment authority, which 200 years of presidents enjoyed, was the original sin in eliminating the ability from a branch on branch to control spending. And we're going to need to bring that back.
So, of course, how would Trump bring that back?
Well, I mean, he tested it out once before in his first term. He impounded foreign aid for Ukraine, but Congress objected. It was part of his first impeachment. So we'll see what Congress does this time with Republicans in control. Several of Trump's top aides want to use it. That includes Elon Musk, the tech billionaire, and former GOP presidential hopeful Vivek Ramaswamy.
They say bypassing the law could help them in their work on the Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE for short. And Trump says he'll direct agencies to identify part of their budgets to impound. He also say it's a way to, quote, choke off the money to parts of the government he doesn't like.
So, Franco, if there's a law in the books, though, I mean, wouldn't any moves to cut costs by using this impoundment authority be challenged in the courts?
Yeah. And I talked to experts about this, you know, and they say it is almost certainly going to be headed to the Supreme Court. and that Trump would have to argue that his constitutional powers will override the 1974 law. But they also say that the Supreme Court has acted favorably toward Trump in terms of executive power, and they think it will be sympathetic again this time.
That is NPR's Franco Ordonez. Franco, thank you. Thank you. A second term for President-elect Donald Trump means another opportunity for conservatives to entrench their power.
Trump appointed three Supreme Court justices in his last term explicitly promising that they would overturn the federal right to abortion. And they did so at the first opportunity. So what do conservatives plan this time?
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