The Uncertain Road Ahead for Chip Makers

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What did TSMC report in its quarterly earnings?

Luke Vargas 1:14
Should the Chinese market remain off-limits, it could spell challenging times ahead for the biggest names in semiconductors. Though for one of the hottest sectors in recent years, there continues to be ample news to get excited about, including from Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., the world's largest contract chipmaker, whose clients include Apple and Nvidia, reported earnings this morning, beating analyst estimates on a 60% jump in profits. Randy Abrams is head of Taiwan research at UBS, and he joins us this morning from Taipei. Randy, what jumped out to you from TSMC's latest update? We've just gotten off the earnings call on a week of rather rocky updates from leading names in the chips industry.
Randy Abrams 1:56
They are the largest outsourced semiconductor manufacturer, really for a lot of the major chip companies, NVIDIA, Qualcomm, Broadcom, Apple. And for that, they set the stage for how the outlook is. We've seen in recent weeks, Trump has postponed some of the reciprocal tariffs. And he's also on some of these tech products in the last week. also put them on hold. Now he's indicated that could come back, that the reciprocal tariffs in 90 days may come back. And also some of these tech semiconductor and hardware tariffs could come back on. So the message for the supply chain is to continue to order components, to continue to build products, and essentially make their deliveries with that uncertainty, whether the tariff they're going to be paying in the future in a couple months may be higher. So to that extent, I think TSMC's main message is, hey, our orders have not really changed. We still see good strength.
Randy Abrams 2:57
They guided a strong second quarter. They did put an important caveat that they need to come back to us in three months as we get closer to second half to see what is just what tariffs come back on. And by that point, do we have any sign of some moderation?

How are export restrictions affecting the semiconductor industry?

Luke Vargas 3:16
What is the sense about the options that might exist for de-risking? TSMC has been out there talking about its investments in the U.S. Do they feel confident what they've done so far is enough to, I don't know, score them an exemption maybe from U.S. tariff action? Or might they need to do more? And maybe should they for other reasons in the future?
Randy Abrams 3:36
TSMC really was on the front foot or the gas on. to engage Trump to say, look, how can we do more? Part of it because I think their customers are feeling a bit more of the pressure to have more of a U.S.-based supply chain. So that is encouraging TSMC to go a bit faster into Arizona. So they're doing what they can. Now, I'll say their hope, I think, for doing that is, can this help mitigate some of the tariffs? Now, that comes back to the government side. The government with key players in Taiwan, where TSMC is included, are trying to go to us with negotiation leverage and it's what can we bring to us in the nvidia press release it really telegraphed that spill which is now tied to ase the biggest packager in taiwan is part of that us investment that was kind of a new announcement new investment that we hadn't heard about before and then on the hardware and assembly you're starting to see in the releases more of the comments about hanhai like foxconn hanhai which

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