Young and Profiting with Hala Taha (Entrepreneurship, Sales, Marketing)
Jean Chatzky: How to Unlock Wealth and Maximize Your Earnings | Finance | YAPClassic
Fri, 18 Apr 2025
Determined to master her messy personal finances, Jean Chatzky immersed herself in learning about finance, financial freedom, and investing. She worked on Wall Street to understand the stock market, then transitioned to financial journalism. After being fired for being “too expensive,” she turned her side hustles into HerMoney—a safe space where women can build wealth and take control of their money. In this episode, Jean shares actionable insights on achieving financial freedom and building lasting confidence around money. In this episode, Hala and Jean will discuss: (00:00) Introduction 01:12 From Journalism to Financial Expertise 03:06 Skill Stacking 06:38 The Gender Wage Gap 11:21 Women Controlling Wealth and Spending 20:07 Navigating Relationships and Success 27:03 Women and Investing 30:09 The Importance of Financial Freedom 31:36 Homeownership: Is It Worth It? 35:47 Understanding Your Money Type 40:15 Budgeting and Avoiding Overspending 42:39 Strategies for Paying Down Debt 44:33 Improving Your Credit Score 47:34 Investing Wisely Jean Chatzky is the CEO and co-founder of HerMoney Media, a digital platform focused on enhancing financial planning, literacy, and wellness among women. She is an award-winning personal finance journalist, bestselling author, and host of the HerMoney podcast. With a background that spans Forbes, SmartMoney, and a 25-year tenure on NBC's Today show, she has earned many accolades, such as the Gracie Award for Outstanding Host. She has authored multiple bestselling books, including Women with Money and Pay It Down! She frequently appears on major platforms like CNN, MSNBC, and The Oprah Winfrey Show. Sponsored By: Indeed - Get a $75 sponsored job credit at indeed.com/profiting Shopify - Sign up for a one-dollar-per-month trial period at youngandprofiting.co/shopify Microsoft Teams - Stop paying for tools. Get everything you need, for free at aka.ms/profiting Mercury - Streamline your banking and finances in one place. Learn more at mercury.com/profiting LinkedIn Marketing Solutions - Get a $100 credit on your next campaign at linkedin.com/profiting Bilt Rewards - Start paying rent through Bilt and take advantage of your Neighborhood Benefits™ by going to joinbilt.com/PROFITING. Airbnb - Find yourself a co-host at airbnb.com/host Active Deals - youngandprofiting.com/deals Key YAP Links Reviews - ratethispodcast.com/yap Youtube - youtube.com/c/YoungandProfiting LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/htaha/ Instagram - instagram.com/yapwithhala/ Social + Podcast Services - yapmedia.com Transcripts - youngandprofiting.com/episodes-new Entrepreneurship, entrepreneurship podcast, Business, Business podcast, Self Improvement, Self-Improvement, Personal development, Starting a business, Strategy, Investing, Sales, Selling, Psychology, Productivity, Entrepreneurs, AI, Artificial Intelligence, Technology, Marketing, Negotiation, Money, Finance, Side hustle, Startup, mental health, Career, Leadership, Mindset, Health, Growth mindset, Finance, Financial, Personal Finance, Wealth, Stock Market, Scalability, Investment, Financial Freedom, Risk Management, Financial Planning, Business Coaching, Finance podcast, Investing, Saving
Chapter 1: Who is Jean Chatzky and what is her background in finance and journalism?
I'm so excited for this conversation. I think it's going to be so insightful for my audience. I really love your work. You didn't really start off in finance, which I thought was interesting. And I'd love to get some backstory from you in terms of your journalism background. You were an English major. How did you end up first getting interested in finances?
Chapter 2: How did Jean transition from journalism to becoming a financial expert and entrepreneur?
I got interested, quite honestly, because my own financial life was a bit of a mess. And simultaneously, the journalism job that I got was business adjacent. I started my career as an editorial assistant at a magazine that no longer exists called Working Woman. And got to report some stories on things like business and careers and management trends and investing.
And I was interested enough in them to try to get a job in personal finance, business journalism when I left that job, which turned out to be really, really difficult. Because all the big business magazines on the planet, I applied to all of them, thought Working Woman was a joke. And finally, I got a little bit of advice that what I needed was an MBA.
But I didn't have really any interest in going back to school at that point. So instead, I got a job on Wall Street. I worked in equity research for a couple of years. I learned investing inside and out. And when I came back out, I was able to reenter journalism, join Forbes, from there to Smart Money. And from there, I ended up on the Today Show for 25 years.
Amazing. So when I looked at your career journey, it reminded me a lot of my own in terms that you skill stacked to become an entrepreneur. So I call this skill stack entrepreneurship, where basically, you worked for other people, and you gained all these skills over the years, and then you became an entrepreneur, basically putting these skills together.
Chapter 3: What is skill stacking and how did it help Jean build her entrepreneurial journey?
And then you came out with her money and nobody could do her money better than you because you had all the experiences to put together this unique offering, to put together this awesome website, this awesome podcast. And you had all the background and the skills, the writing, the journalism, the broadcasting, the knowledge of that actual topic.
It's a lot like what I did with Yap Media and my podcast network and my social agency. So I'd love for you to just talk to us about that for all these young people listening. Talk about the skills that you acquired over the years and then how you sort of use that in your entrepreneurship journey.
I was one of the original side giggers, right? I think I had a side hustle before it was called a side hustle. Pretty much always because journalists make very little money, or at least when you're starting out as a journalist, you make very little money. So originally my side hustle was teaching SATs. But as I started to become a stronger writer and a stronger content creator, I was able to
hustle in my own industry. So just by doing that, I picked up a lot of the adjacent skills that I then needed to launch this business. Once I was on the Today Show in particular, a lot of doors started to open. These were the days where everybody was watching the Today Show. And so I got a lot of offers to go out and speak, to write books, to consult for
Chapter 4: What is the current state of the gender wage gap and how does it affect women's financial health?
different companies in the employee benefits departments where they were trying to improve the financial health of their employees. And I didn't become an entrepreneur until, a full-scale entrepreneur, until 20 years down the road when I left my last magazine job. I actually got fired from my last magazine job because I'd gotten a little too expensive for their payroll.
And I looked at all of the other things that I was doing. I was doing radio for Oprah over here and I was doing speaking here and I was on my 10th book over here and I had three other clients over here. And I thought, why am I getting another job? I have five other jobs. I just need to put them together. Her money as a company came along after her money as a podcast.
I was doing some work with Fidelity Investments. They were our original launch sponsor. The fabulous team there basically said, what else can we do together? And I was like, how about a podcast? So we launched and very quickly it became apparent to me that we were growing a community of like-minded women who wanted to learn about money. And Her Money, the company, launched around that.
Amazing. Well, you've been doing such a great job. I know that your podcast is super popular. Your blog is very well known. I've heard about her money for many years now. You also have so many books and you've just become such an accomplished author. And a majority of your content is actually geared towards women.
So I want to talk to that for a minute because I know that all the advice you give is applicable to all genders, right? Doesn't necessarily need to be just for women. But we do need to understand why women have traditionally had an uphill battle when it has come to their finances. Can you give us some insight in terms of the gender wage gap?
And I think a lot of people have the assumption that that's not really a thing anymore. So can you talk to us about if it is a thing in 2024?
Oh, it's a thing. It has budged, which is good. Over the last year and a half, it's moved up a smidge so that at this point, women earn 83 and a half cents to every dollar that a white man earns. But the American Association of University Women say we are going to be halfway through the next century before this gap actually closes. That's how slowly...
It's moving and it's worse for women of color. And the problem with the gender wage gap is that when you combine it with all of the other factors that women deal with in terms of earning money and growing money for retirement, they put us behind. Women are the ones to take breaks from work to care for kids and care for older parents.
We saw that in the pandemic in spades, but it's been true all along. Because we take those breaks, we have less money growing in those retirement accounts. We earn fewer social security credits. We get to the end of the line. We've got a smaller nest egg, and then we have to make the money last longer because we go and we outlive men by six, seven years. So
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Chapter 5: Why are women expected to control most of the wealth and spending in the future?
And what I've found and the reason that I launched Her Money was that when I was in a room full of all women giving some sort of a talk and I would get to the Q&A section, the hands would just fly up in the air. And when I was in a mixed group, the response was a lot more muted. Women really held back and didn't want to share as much. And so what I set out to create was a safe space.
But am I going to tell women that they should buy Nvidia as we did for our investing club two years ago and tell men that they should not? No, absolutely not.
Such good advice. And by the way, that stock has done really well because I have it too. So a lot of my listeners are business owners. A lot of them are people of power. We have employees. We have our own small businesses. What is our responsibility when it comes to the gender wage gap?
I think our responsibility is to level it and it has to come from the employers because if employers don't take a look at our payrolls, don't take a look at how we are treating our employees irrespective of gender, irrespective of race, these gaps are never gonna close. And so we have to get really honest about who's doing what work And how much are they being compensated for it?
And it's not a matter of need. It's a matter of the work that we need them to do, but it's not a matter of our perception of the money that they need to take home, which is how it used to work. Years back, you would hear conversations where a boss would tell a female employee, well, of course, John is going to get paid more than you do.
He's the breadwinner and he's got multiple mouths to feed at home. We're now in an era where more women are the breadwinners. And if you look ahead, if you look out to 2030 and into the 2030s, women are actually expected to control the lion's share of the wealth and the spending in this country and across the world. And it's because
of educational trends that are leading women to have more qualifications than men in many, many instances. And it's also because of the way that the transfer of wealth, the $41 trillion transfer of wealth that is going on as we speak is playing out. Women are inheriting twice.
And not because our parents prefer us to our brothers, but we're inheriting twice because if we have brothers, chances are we split the family pie with them. But then when our husbands die, we inherit that money as well.
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Chapter 6: How do social and economic changes impact women’s roles in relationships and finances?
So good. And this is really, really fascinating to me. I really want to spend a lot of time here on these social and economical changes that are going on. So I got some incredible stats from your work and I'm going to rattle some off and ask some questions about them. I'd love for you to really just give us as much insight, as much color as you have about them.
So the first one is for every hundred men who graduated from college last year, 132 women graduated. Can you talk about how this really snowballs into various social demographic economic changes? Absolutely.
If you look at the types of jobs that college grads hold and the types of jobs that you need to have a college degree in order to get, they tend to be the higher paying jobs. We are seeing some movement in trades, in apprenticeships, in vocational programs. I grew up in Wheeling, West Virginia, in a high school that had a big welding department in the basement.
And I believe that we need to see more of these opportunities. But there's no question that a college degree helps you land a better salary. And when you look at the lifetime earnings of a person with a college degree versus one who doesn't have one, It's hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not more.
And the way that that then drives change in society is that you have these families where you tend to have not just one, but two college educated people because college educated people often meet in college. And those two income college-educated households are going to be making significantly more money in many cases than those who are not college-educated.
And what we wind up with is just a bigger income disparity in this country than we have right now. And as you know, Hala, it's already problematic. So we look at it and we see these things starting to march in that direction.
The other problem though, and I hear of this from my daughter and from people younger than her, is that if you are on a college campus and you're heterosexual and you want to date, it's gotten an awful lot harder.
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Chapter 7: What challenges do successful women face in dating and relationships, and how can they navigate them?
Mm-hmm. I definitely want to talk about that, but let's hold that thought for a second. Let's talk about how by 2028, women will control 75% of discretionary spending around the world. By 2030, 66% of America's wealth will be with women. You alluded to this a bit, but what are some of the factors of why women are going to have so much more money in the future years?
So it's education and it is the transfer of wealth. Those are the two big factors that are playing into this. But when you talk about the fact that women are going to have the money, what people don't do is sort of follow the breadcrumbs and think about how that's going to change everything. right?
Chapter 8: How can couples balance financial dynamics and support each other's careers effectively?
When you follow the breadcrumbs, what you see is that the fact that women are making these purchasing decisions changes things. If you look at cars, it's going to change the way that cars are designed because they're going to be designed with women buyers more in mind. You'll have a better place to park that bag that you carry around on your shoulder all the time.
The seat will be adjustable in a different way so that you'll be able to see over the front of the hood if you're height challenged in the way that I am. It'll change the design of homes. Single women buy many more homes than single men. They've become a very important segment of homebuyers. And we are seeing homes designed with the things that women want in mind.
So it's not just a matter of the fact that financial advisors are a little bit up in arms about this because They have seen studies that show that when the male spouse in a family dies, 70-ish percent of women are likely to leave the advisor and find somebody of their own choosing. Those trends are underway as well, but it's going to change the look and feel and design of a lot of products.
Oh my gosh, so interesting. You know what you just reminded me of? So I took my mom to Cancun on vacation and I got us first class tickets. We only brought checked bags. And I remember me and her trying to put our bags up on the airplane. We're both petite. We had to help each other.
And actually my mom accidentally slipped and the bag fell and it was so embarrassing and it kind of caused a commotion. And in my head, I was thinking, I just paid. over $2,000 for these tickets. And I was expected as a five foot one girl to put up a bag with my 70 year old mother by ourselves. And I was thinking, how ridiculous is this? Who are these airplanes designed for?
It's obviously not considering petite women.
Yeah, it's definitely not. And maybe if they start to see that more women are buying their own business class seats, that'll be something that will change. Or the folks who make the away bag that we all seem to carry will come up with some sort of a hoister to help us get it up in that luggage compartment because I have the same trouble that you do. Yeah.
It's the worst part about flying for me. It is. Okay, so 38% of women are their family's biggest earner or primary breadwinner. How does that impact society and contribute to the fact that 50% of women are single right now?
Look, there's a lot of research on when a woman is the primary breadwinner and whether or not it causes strife in relationships. Generally, if when a man and a woman form their relationship, the woman is already the higher earner, then that status quo doesn't rock the boat too much.
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