Darren Jones in Podcasts

So Starmer and his chief secretary, Darren Jones, said slightly different things.

But what are we hearing from Keir Starmer himself, who's been quizzed about this in Paris this morning, but also his chief secretary, Darren Jones, who was quizzed about this on the BBC this morning, because they're saying they really did not know about the existence of this failed vetting procedure.

Darren Jones told Times Radio that Keir Starmer is listening to colleagues ahead of a key cabinet meeting later this morning.