Salman Sheikh in Podcasts

He told us with a tear in his eye, they're going to break this place, and it's going to create immense harm. So I think what we have today in the emerging new world order is actually where Middle East actors, particularly Gulf actors, actually have agency. They're not spectators now, and I think they are being listened to by President Trump. Do you think their calculations would be different, Salman, if there was an obvious, focused opposition ready to go?