Veterans Minister in Podcasts

unchallenged as you say he's been the mp for birmingham celly oak for not even two years he wasn't even party political we understand before he joined the labour party he was actually an advisor to three conservative defense secretaries before that he was the veterans minister he's now the armed forces minister he does impress don't get me wrong when he's on the media round um people are often sort of uh you know left open mouth and and uh he doesn't sort of get uh get