Abbie Chatfield

Yeah, that's what I was showing up to school in my FG day.

That is so hot.

And the teachers, and they also never specified if you could wear heels or not.

So I was like, well, you didn't say you couldn't wear heels, but they never said it because they didn't think anyone would actually wear heels to school.

I said, well, it's not in the rules.

It's so fun.

When did you know that you, when did you have the language for saying that I'm trans?

Probably high school, I'd say.

Like I remember when, because it was like so uncommon, like even because I started high school in 2013, even then it was uncommon.

And when I remember when it really started to become mainstream was when Caitlyn Jenner came out.

Yeah.

That was the moment, wasn't it?

Yeah.

I think it was 2015 or 16, if I remember correctly.

And I remember we all woke up one day and Caitlyn Jenner's in a satin corset on the cover of Vanity Fair, you know, the world.

Yeah.

And we're like, wow.

Yeah.

That was kind of like everyone's introduction.

And, you know, it was like one of the biggest reality shows at the time and to have,