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And I think that that might be one of the very most specific reasons why Brandy and Kath are like when we thank them, like, thank you for having us.

It almost feels like it's harder for them to receive it because they're like, this is just what I dreamed up.

Like, this is just a dream.

You know what I mean?

And it's like so cool.

I just think Brandy has this abundance of space to dream up a more beautiful world.

They both spend their lives trying to honestly bring heaven to earth in many ways.

And I just think it's so beautiful to,

And there's no hierarchy.

I think that's such an interesting thing.

It's Sam Smith and the new 17-year-old who's trying to break out.

There's no different treatment of anyone.

It's hard to explain, but it feels special.

And also, I always just want to make sure that everyone's talking about Catherine just as much as Brandy because-

Catherine just, her spirit and her work and her attention to detail and her wide open heart.

Leadership.

Leadership, yeah.

She's such a leader.

Yeah.