Ace

No, go through the meadows, Ryan.

Go through the meadows and pick apples and stuff.

Oh, God.

All right, Ace, we're back to you, buddy.

What else you got for us?

All right.

One of the biggest surprises, which was kind of sprung on me when I joined this podcast, was our first... I think this was our first interview.

We got to talk to Jack Bennett at Oddbug Studio, the people behind Tales of Iron and Tales of Iron 2.

We got such a freaking awesome peek behind the curtain of just how complicated...

and beautiful indie games can be.

Like when he turned that artwork to the side and we saw like a hundred layers of different pieces.

I was starstruck.

I don't know about you guys.

Also, what goes into it.

We were just stunned.

We all just sat there with our mouths open while he explained to us all of these art pieces and how it all goes together.

I'm just like, this is insane.

It's also how I end up getting labeled with rats for the rest of my life.

You did that yourself, Ace.

That was already going to happen.