Achille Currado
Appearances
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
I was a good cop who got conned by one of the smartest guys in the world. Looking back on the story, I feel like a fool. Something I deal with every day. How could I let that happen? How could I let this guy destroy my life? Darko Jovanovic, the time I met him, he was a fraudster from Windsor. He had convinced people for like two years that he was a doctor. He was doing like analysis and stuff.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
So she works out this like crazy settlement. He's agreed to pay like $300,000 for defamation, which is probably insane because, you know, you'd probably get in Canada, maybe 20 or 30, but for some reason I believed it. Right. And so after the settlement, this is the funny thing. You know, this is early on in this whole lawyer thing, but I sent her an $1,800 gift certificate to the Ritz Carlton.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
No, no, no. I didn't get it. So she was telling me, she was telling me, I'm doing this, you know, I'm not taking a fee. I'm doing it for free, whatever. And I felt bad. I'm like, hey, I'm going to do something nice for you then. You just did a huge favor for me. So I buy this $1,800 gift certificate.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
I know. I know, man. I was just, you know, I was like, oh, you know what? Like, I feel so bad. She's doing all this work. And she was saying, like, she's putting hours and hours and hours into it. So I sent her this gift certificate to her work address to her work. I didn't tell Darko about this at the time.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And so I send it and after I tell Darko, I'm like, Hey, man, like, I, Julianna really helped me out. And I told him about the settlement. I'm like, Look, I sent her this $1,800 gift certificate, gift certificate, and 1800, like 18 means something in Judaism, right? I can't remember exactly what but so he lost his shit.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
he literally went crazy he's like you can't do that she did it pro bono you know she uh she's got partners that she has to answer to and stuff like that because you gotta call them and get that taken back and you can't so i'm like holy cow man like you guys freaking on me so i'm like i'll try but i've already sent it so i call the place i'm like hey look this is the situation.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Is there any way to kind of like get the courier to come back? And he's like, no, it's already been delivered. And then the note, I said, you know, hey, Kiel Corrado, blah, blah, blah. Thank you very much. And hopefully this spa day will help, you know, know, with all the stress that you've been under, blah, blah, blah. And so after I found those defrauded, I called the Ritz.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And the Ritz said that that that card was used. And I mean, on a few occasions, so I don't know who used it. I don't know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
He's driving like a, like a mint Lexus LS. I think it was a 400, 450, whatever it was. It was an older one, but it was like pristine. And he comes up and gives him the story. Actually showed up, said he was Israeli. Said that he was Jewish, Israeli, whatever. And he brought a bottle of wine. you know, to see the car. I'm like, man, that's strange. He goes, oh, I'm Israeli. That's what we do.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Well, my guess is this, my guess is that, know he's printing pretending to be juliana to me and he's pretending to be me to juliana right so he must have texted her or called her or said hey you know what i mean like that's the only thing that makes sense you know what i mean and so she probably contacted him thinking it was you put possibly and then uh he explained away the 1800
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
because i think later um after you know i looked through disclosure and there were some emails that were on this phone whatever i think one from her saying like look you know i looked into it kind of thing you know how much we can do kind of thing now i don't know whether that was real or fake because this guy worked like 24 7. like this guy you know he was like so many different people
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
and and Matt I'll tell you man there's no way you could sleep and and pretend to be that many people like texting me like the guy would constantly call me text me Juliana would text me then later her uncle Brian Greenspan would text me because he got involved in the case too and then he's all these other personas and you know the funny thing is is like
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
I believe this crap and I should have known better, man. Like I, I feel like a complete fool and most people do when they get defrauded. Right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
But you know, I, I was probably, probably my ego was probably the problem, part of the problem because you know, as a cop, I'm like, who's gonna try to defraud me like in person, him and his mom, like, how are they gonna do this off? Like, you know, I, there's probably a lot of things going on in my mind.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Um, but just to get back to Julianna for a second. Um, so after I found out that it was defrauded, I also emailed her and called her office and sent her email saying, look, you know, if you know this Darko Jovanovic, you know, he's defrauded me. He's probably doing the same to you kind of thing. Send her like three, four emails, never got a response. Called, left messages, never got a response.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Never got a return phone call. You know, she went, when the police went to speak to her after this was all said and done, she was kind of hiding under privilege, behind privilege, saying, oh, I can't really speak about it. I'm not going to really talk about it. Not saying that she knew a lot.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
But, you know, the officer, when he was one officer, Kim Halliday, who was on the stand, who was being questioned by the crown, he's like, the crown's like, oh, obviously she didn't know anything about this. He goes, well, on the stand, he's like, well, when you talk to her, when we talked to her, she did know something. She just didn't really say what. And she didn't really cooperate.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
They wanted her to read the text messages. I don't think she did. You know, and they weren't worried about Julianna Greenspan or whatever. Well,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Yeah. So eventually, you know, that gets all worked out and then eventually, um,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
darko starts talking about police corruption you know he starts naming some names and this is how she gets into it and so she starts she's the one who's going to help darko a with his divorce to get because he had millions of dollars he said that his wife took from him so she's going to first help him with his divorce and then he starts dropping some names
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
We don't show up to people's houses without something. I'm like, oh, okay. You know, I've never met an Israeli before. So you're telling me that. And so he looks at the car and he's like, oh, yeah, I'm very interested. You know, it's for my stepson going through a divorce. But, you know, I want to make sure my stepson has a car. So he goes, but I'll call you back and I'll come back and see it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
um and some serious names in the city like these guys have been known to to be you know mixed in with bikers and the criminal underworld even one guy was like you know we thought that maybe he was you know a terrorist or not terrorist but tied with terrorism right i'm not going to drop whatever that is because you know this guy's not here to defend himself but
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
So at that time, I'm like, okay, this is crazy. You know what I mean? Like you're dropping these names, telling me about stuff going on in the department. And now if I backtrack a second, I'll talk to you about my career because this will make sense to you. So when I first got hired, I worked six years on the street, hurt myself, a back injury. They put me in recruiting.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And in recruiting, that's where I kind of like, You really like on the street, you're kind of doing your own thing. I mean, like you have your kind of discretion to a certain extent.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Um, but then when you get into recruiting, you're always like, you know, rubbing elbows with the deputy chief, the superintendent inspector, you're bringing them potential candidates to interview after you've already vetted them. So you get to know these people. And, um, after that, I went to the crime analyst unit.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And in the Crime Analyst Unit, we do a lot of work with the OPP, Ontario Provincial Police, and their intel. And I met a guy there that I kind of knew before. His name was Jonathan Asin. And Jonathan was always talking. We'd meet for coffee once a week, and he was always telling me about certain individuals that OPP could never do projects on.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Because I guess at the time, I don't know if it's different now, when you want to do a project on somebody, Um, and this one guy, you know, I'll call him GG. Right. And they want to do this project on this GG guy. And it would always be forwarded.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Like, you know, they put the paperwork into London because he lives in our jurisdiction and London would always say, no, we don't want you doing any, any projects on this guy. And then, you know, Jonathan would always tell me, oh, you know, I got Intel, I've got, you know, credible information that I know there's, uh, corrupt officers, corrupt senior officers in the department.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
I'm like, well, I don't know anything about that. You know what I mean? Like, I don't really hang out with these guys. Like I said, like a lot of cops just always hang out with cops or they hear more stuff and it wasn't into the rumor mill. And I was kind of like, and I more.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
I'd like, you know, for me at the time, I'd rather hang out with my old buddies than hang out with cops and talk about cop stuff all the time.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And so this is my mindset when I meet Darko and Darko starts dropping these names and like, okay, you know, that's, that's interesting. And he drops another person's name who there's always rumors about him in the city. He owns like almost all of London.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
and there's rumors that used to be a gun runner and stuff and he's israeli as well so darko starts telling me like hey you know his wife you guys have a lot of israelis i don't know i mean everybody's only two and i met both of them i guess i don't know okay go ahead so um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
So yeah, so he starts telling me that this GG guy and this SF guy who owns almost all London, that they want him, that GG's importing drugs in high-end cars. And at the time, GG owned all these lots and he was a used car dealer and he'd drive around like Lamborghinis and Ferraris and stuff.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
so he's like um you know he he wants me to design because i'm an engineer he says he wants me to design something so i can bring over a lot of drugs and i can't say no to him you know because sf israeli i've been breaking this kind of code that's he told he told me that israelis have with each other which i don't think is true but and um
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
So he befriends me. To make a long story short, he befriends me. I don't tell him much about who I am. But he wants to get together. He wants to meet over lunch about his divorce and stuff. He's going through a rough time. So we become friends. And he's a nice enough guy. And eventually, actually, I meet his mom.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And then, you know, they've paid off a lot of police officers and higher ranking guys, and they're kind of enforcing that on him. So he says, I remember the one story he tells me, and his mom was the one that kind of was laughing about it, that this one inspector came.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
his name allegedly was you know kevin or whatever so he came to his house and tried to twist darko's arm aaron at the time that i knew him but um to design this stuff and he's like you know you don't know what you're doing you know we want you to do this you know just just a courtesy visit you know i mean And the joke was that his mom was cooking falafels.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And she had gone to the front to see who it was while Darko was talking to this guy. And she burnt her falafels. So she was cursing this guy because she burnt her falafels. So the next time I go over and talk to Darko and his mom, she's telling me the story, right? She's agreeing to that, you know, hey, this guy came over and Darko said he was this inspector, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
so then when i'm there i'm talking to him and i'd be visiting him and you know over there uh on the weekends kind of thing when i'm when i'm not with my mom monday to friday he would like show me text messages and some of these text messages would come to his phone when i was there and they were from inspectors from superintendents from the chief
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
he's showing me and they're saying hey don't it's just a misunderstanding between you and these two guys you need to you know reconsider your choice kind of thing threatening him and i'm like holy cow i'm like holy man this is this is a way above my pay grade and b i don't know what to do with this So I call my buddy Jonathan, who's OPP, the guy that I knew from over there in Intel.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And I said, hey, man, this is what's going on. I remember before he used to tell me that there was corrupt guys in the department. I said, is there any credibility of what this guy's saying? And he's like frothing at the mouth. He's like, oh, my God. I'm in a unit right now where we're a special unit, and we're investigating senior officers. He's like...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
got intel that you know something was going on with london so i'm like holy like is this guy for real and so i try to get darko and jonathan we call him tubs that was his nickname so i try to get
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
darko and tubs together because i don't want to deal with this like you know i've got enough shit going on but you know as you see darko just took advantage of the fact that it was on stress leave and all stressed out kind of thing and you know i was ripe for the picking i guess
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
so then Juliana steps in and Julian is like you know he doesn't know what to do Darko's being targeted by these senior officers Juliana the lawyer yeah Juliana the the lawyer who's really texting you yeah texting and calling like she's called as well like it wasn't like so there was a female that was working with Darko I don't know who it was didn't sound like his mom But what do I know?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And now she wants to create her own kind of like project. Like she wants to, her own, she wants, she knows people, prosecutors in Toronto. She knows police officers that she trusts. So she wants to create this like project where she's going to charge these people. And then it just all goes sideways from there, man. Like it, you know, he led me down a path
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
that I ended up giving them like, I think $450,000 had to sell my house. I'm still paying off my line of credit. It was tough. Like if I go back and think about it, like the way you kind of fucking really, really played me, but it's not about playing. Like if you want to just the money that keep you doing like, CRA scams or IRS scams, calling you pretending he's the IRS.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And the funny part of this whole story is that his mom kind of supports everything he says. And his mom's like, she said she was 80. She's probably like 65 or whatever. She said she was a Holocaust survivor, you know.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
It's not about money for him. It's about control. It's about manipulation. And later, I've read books on sociopaths and so forth. And this guy fits it to a T. So like I said, I've read books since talking about sociopaths and stuff. And I think there's a book called Without Conscience. And the psychologist, the doctor that wrote the book, actually was conned.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
He was doing research into this, and he was conned like three times by three different sociopaths. And so if I had to describe Darko, I remember having to look through his phones after we got disclosure, after it was charged. Man, the guy is pretty twisted. When you start going through his phones and seeing what he's kind of doing, he's...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
he's like having okay he's not here to defend himself but from what i saw like he's you know having meeting up random sex with like you know on grinder with guys or you know prostitutes and escorts coming over and and you know he's he's like you know trying to fraud an older guy who's blind that he's trying to befriend and take him to doctor's appointments like
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
you know probably like the guy from that movie salt burn the lead character there i don't know if you ever saw that i couldn't watch the whole thing it was just a little bit too triggering but very very crazy sick stuff in there but to me like he was trying to be he's always this like you know selfless person give away his last penny
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
No, never been to Germany.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
I'll tell you anything he said about himself. When we get into the story, man, I'll tell you, that guy had my head spinning all the time. Spinning all the time. Because he was talking about police corruption. He was talking about... And I didn't know at the time, but he actually had friends who were police officers from before he went to Windsor.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Yeah, I agree, man. This guy fits that mold 100%. He had me believing that I was the cause of all this problem. His mom had a stroke and it was my fault because I had said something to somebody about potentially the case or something. And there was numerous times he pretended like... I'll give you a story. So remember, we had a death in the family. And it was my cousin's husband.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And he was such a nice guy. So he passes away. So Darko comes over to my house. My brother and my sister, my older sister are there. And he brings flowers, right? So it's very nice. And then we start talking about, you know, drugs and so forth. And like, I don't do drugs. And, you know, my one nephew at the time was, you know, experimenting with marijuana or whatever.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And so I was trying to give my viewpoint on this. And he took offense. Like he just, he went into the garage, had a smoke, started screaming at me saying, and this, and Darko was, after the fact, I find out that he's like a heavy, heavy drug user, meth, you know, you name it, coke.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
he's doing everything right and so he uses that as a springboard to make me feel bad about having an argument with him because juliana comes in on text later and says that darko's having a ptsd episode from his time in in uh
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
uh in the Massad and you know then his mom's texting me and telling me you know calling me and saying oh you know how dare you I trusted you you know Darko has only done nice things for everybody and for you and he gives a and it just goes on and on and on and that's part of the game like that's how They would just play, well, he played me, but, and just always make me think I'm the bad guy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
I mean, like, even when I was giving them money, because the whole thing revolves around Darko is the key witness here. You know, she's got this, you know, she's doing, Juliana is the head of this, you know, team that's going to take down the corruption in the apartment.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
and but darko's the key and this sf and gg guy and and the police are are targeting him trying to discredit him you know trying to kill him trying to kill his mother and anything that happens ends up being my fault it's always my fault somehow it all comes back to me And I start feeling bad. I'm giving this guy all this money.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
and um and i think you know he told them that he was a dentist and because it came out in disclosure because he interviewed some of these guys and he said that he was a dentist and he was always making up stories but if you know anything about sociopaths they just learn from their past mistakes you know what i mean like you know he just got better and better and better at telling stories and making up lies so you guys start to kind of build like a friendship
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And then at one point, I think Brian Greenspan, it's not the real Brian Greenspan, but obviously Darko, starts texting me and says, what's wrong with you? I'm like, well, look, man, I've got no money. I've given Darko every cent. I can't pay my bills. I took a second mortgage on my house. I'm trying to keep this afloat. And he's like, how dare you, you selfish bastard. You're maniacal.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
You're a hypocrite. I've given $30 million into this. I've put up my reputation. Darko suffered. They targeted his mother. They tried to kill her. This is how crazy, and I believe this shit, man. I tell you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Well, it's, it's always the first time I think it was just a innocent loan of like a couple grand. Cause you know, he had to, you know, he had some money coming in from, uh, Juliana, you know, selling his estate with his ex and he just needed a couple grand or something.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
No, never paid it back. Like I said, Hey man, I, I, it gets crazier from there.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
okay i'm kind of embarrassed to even talk about this a bit but i thought this guy was like in dire need you know what i mean like i thought and i thought he was good for it because hey he he lived in a million dollar home right drove a mercedes s-class when i newer mercedes s-class when i met him he had like a couple other cars and then he was a car buff and he said that his wife he had like all these other cars that his wife took in the divorce or the separation
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
and later it all comes down to the fact that his ex-wife was in cahoots with this sf guy and gg guy to take his money and to force him to do what they wanted him to do and they even target like he even had a story where in the moment along with this that she needed surgery because she had a i think a stomach tumor or something pancreatic cancer some tumor or whatever she was going to die
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
So she has surgery at the local hospital. And he had me believing that this SF guy paid the doctor to botch the surgery. And then he said that he found another doctor that worked at, I don't know if it was the same hospital. We have two hospitals in the city.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
was israeli that he could trust that it redo the surgery and then you know um had fixed the problem whatever and that he had to get his mom out of the hospital because he was worried you know that some something's going to happen to her so he had to hire a private nurse and i mean and in order to keep her safe and and i sent you some photos and those photos you'll see like she's at the hospital
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
100%, man, 100%. And so my head was always spinning. Like, you know, everything's always my fault. You know, Julianna's saying, oh, we're going to make these arrests. We've got all this evidence. It's coming up. And I want to meet with you. We're always supposed to meet. I'm always supposed to go down there and meet her. She's coming to London to meet.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
He was scamming people, tens of thousands of dollars. I think there was like 17 victims and he just didn't care. Like, you know, he, he had one of the victims was a young girl and he said that she had a brain lesion and he said, and he said, he claimed that he had like, um, uh, ability to kind of, he had like privileges across in Detroit.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
But every time she calls and says, oh, you know, Uncle Brian had a heart attack or some other crazy thing happened and Darko's in need. And then Darko was sick because he had PTSD. Then he had this rare blood disease and he had an enlarged heart and they're trying to keep him alive. It doesn't sound like he's alive, Matt. What's happening?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Yeah, and he starts doing favors for me. I'll tell you my mindset at the time. My mom was really sick and my family means everything to me. He knows that. Or he knew, it's very easy to see. So my mom had this issue where she had an ulcer on the bottom of her leg and the ulcer was like, man, it was horrible. It was just spreading and spreading and spreading.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Um, they're like, I'd have to read through all those text messages and that's just too much for me to do that. But for example, looking at me, like his mom, he said was Israeli and she never became a Canadian citizen. So you can't get a pocket.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
for her medical expenses and he could always it was always like this you know i've got to do this i can raise i i was able to raise her friends uh i rate she's say she needed 50 grand i raised 40 000 i just need ten thousand dollars more to save my mom
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
like and he knows he knows how much you know i love my mom and my family i'm like hey man we gotta save your mom okay no problem i'll i'll borrow 10 grand and i'll give you 10 grand for it like and juliana's always like oh yeah and you're gonna have your settlement and dark will pay you back because i'm working on his divorce and don't worry it's all going to be taken care of like you know and hey i should have known better you know what i mean like
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
um but when you're in it and you're getting constant text messages and a barad of people calling you like his dad would call me i've never met his dad but his dad was supposed to be some like he was in the israeli air force this is funny and he was also in massad and that he had gone down to uh south america and did some type of uh
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
know crazy you know uh you know we call it um he'd gone down there and like captured some some uh nazi war criminal or something and they you know smuggled them back to israel to to stand trial you know crazy it was on the team that caught eichmann Yeah, something like that. You know, I mean, I can't remember all the names and places, but it just it just goes on.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And you know, he would like bring in my and he tried to isolate me from my family, and my friends. And he's always making up a story like, even with that, that Jeff thing with a cheaterville post. he would like take that to the extreme. He'd be like, Oh, you know what? They're going to pay this. But now Claudia is saying that, you know, you raped her, which never happened.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And that now Juliana has to help me out of this situation. And that, you know, she's going to have to talk to the prosecutor and all this stuff. I'm like, so I think these people are saving me. I think, you know, Hey, you know, Juliana's, you know,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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she's the the lawyer of lawyers you know what i mean like so i actually believe that because i'm like well maybe maybe they're making up this story because you know hey they're gonna have to pay me three hundred thousand dollars in a defamation suit and so then you know juliana
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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that rolls into some other story where it's my fault you know Darko's sick and he needs money and she's wasting her time dealing with Claudia which is my fault because I should have never dated this girl and it just goes on and on and on and on like I can't even tell you half the stories like There's another story where early on, I had a friend of mine from law school. His name was Ali great guy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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It was like he was an engineer. He's doing his law degree. Because when I was doing the correspondence, I actually went there for... You can do these courses where you can go there for the weekend. So I went there two or three times to England, and I met Ali, and he was just a great guy. He was, I think, originally from Iraq, I think. Anyway...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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anyway he was losing his job and i kind of was brought that up in conversation with darko and darko at the time said that he had a contract with general dynamics in detroit and he's like oh well i can help him you know he's he's an engineer he's a friend of yours a friend of mine hey you know let's let's bring him on board so then he makes up this elaborate story where
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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It's a side effect of some of the medication she was on for her blood. And the doctors weren't doing anything. And she's like always in pain, screaming in pain. I'm like, well, hey man, like if the doctors aren't gonna do anything, I knew a lady in Toronto that had a hyperbaric oxygen center. And I had a concussion from a car accident a few years before.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He needs Ali's passport, and Ali's not sending it to him. And then he finds out through his contacts that Ali has some terrorist connections. Not true at all.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And then he loses the contract with General Dynamics.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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No, no. So this is like earlier earlier on, I'm jumping around a bit because there's so much to unpack. But and now GD journal dynamics is going to sue him for $3 million in lost revenue. And it's my fault. because I introduced him to Ali.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And now because he tried to bring Ali on board and he has some ties because GD does their own background checks and he has some ties to some, you know, fictitious terrorist organization. It's my fault. And that, you know, I should be the one paying for this because I'm the one who did this. Hey man, you know, like then I get text messages from Juliana, this reaming me out.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
and i get text messages from his mom and then brian and then continually he's got a whole team of, I don't know how he did it, man. Like even my lawyer, like, uh, the first lawyer I had, he was even saying, he's like, how's he do this? Like he's, he went through, like, he read all of Julianna's texts.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He's he read all of Aaron's texts, his mom, Brian green, Spain's like, when did he, when does he sleep? And I don't think he did the key. Cause he'd be calling me all the time too. And he was smart enough. Like he was smart. He would call me constantly. And he would say one thing on the phone.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And then another thing, you kind of change it up a bit through text messages because you want to respond in a certain way. And at the time, I'm like, hey, you know what? I'm afraid to even speak out to these people because everything is my problem.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And then he starts threatening me. He starts threatening my family. He threatens my little sister.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
and he knows that you know hey if you're gonna thread me no problem you're gonna go meet whatever if I want to lose a fight whatever but when you start threatening my my family people that can't defend themselves what's he saying he's gonna do too oh that he you know he said one time like he was and again this is like his PTSD incident right like he's Julian is like oh you know what
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He's got PTSD. You got to treat him with kid gloves. He says, said things like, oh, you know what? I'm going to throw your sister in jail. You know, I'm going to, this is hard to say. It's going to like torture my parents and have my younger sister watch. That's how fucked up this guy is, man. Like, why do you fucking say that?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Um, this was like, after I had lent him like, to $300,000. And then I would just, I'd even just have a question. I'd be like, Hey, you know, with Brian or something, Brian Greenspan or whatever, I text him say like, Hey, you know what, I'm having a hard time paying my bills like, you know, and then it's like,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I went there for some treatment and we became friends. So I called her up and like, hey, what can we do? And she's like, well, we can do something like, you know, with non-healing wounds, hyperbaric therapy often really helps. But Toronto's two hours away. So I ended up going off on stress leave to take my mom there. And my mom's like getting worse and worse.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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he's he's on full attack mode you know what i mean and then then darko comes back and and he's like oh you're not suffering i'm the one who's suffering you know i mean darko's the one that's suffering i'm like okay who am i to say man like
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I feel bad, like, you know, now you're telling me then he's always apologizing after he like, and Julianna is always apologizing, saying, Oh, you know, he had an episode with a tick, taking the doctor, your Dean, he got medication. No, like, it's not him. You know, I mean, it's all the stress. They're targeting him. Come on, like.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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At the time, I believed it. You know, I mean, 2020 hindsight, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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yeah like you know i it's hard to say like the thing is is like when you got all these people that you believe are real telling you this stuff right and then you you go to my you know friends like in the department and they're like yeah that's that's believable some of the stuff he's saying is believable and even through my own experience i mean like
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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know some of these guys in the senior senior officers i mean like you can't trust them they're all out for themselves and they're all out for power money control not unlike darko some of them i mean so you can see how you can kind of make that joiner especially you know talking to uh tubs there the opp guy that i knew who ended up like stabbing me in the back because like
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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what happened in the end was, you know, going to court, nobody would come and, you know, and, and, and, you know, take my side. Nobody would help me. Like, you know, everyone's like, you know, washing their hands of me. And that's, that's a, that's a whole different story, but we can get into that after if you want, but.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Well, there's a few times, and this is the interesting part. Like there's a few times throughout this year, year and a bit that I was dealing with a year and a half, probably that was just like, you know, this doesn't make sense. You know what I mean? I remember one time I was like at my wits end,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I get a call from from Jonathan from tubs and he's like, Hey, man, you know, you got to get me together with with Darko. I just had a meeting with a CI and he's saying that he'll tell me anything about all the drugs going on in the city, but he won't talk about GG and SF or the police that are involved. Make
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Really, you know, this is just at the point where, you know, maybe it's coincidence probably is, but maybe Darko had one of his buddies, you know, who was a CI to Tubbs go in there, start spreading all this stuff, thinking that maybe get back to me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Um, but there's a lot of times and at the end of it, when I found out that, you know, I was defrauded is because I had a friend of mine and like, anytime I mentioned somebody. one of my friends to Darko. He's like, Oh, I can help him out just like with Ali. Because he wants to you eventually use it against me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And probably to the point where they have to cut off her leg, like at the knee, because it's just not healing. And when you looked at it, it was just like raw meat all the way around her leg. So I'm all stressed out about that. I get a doctor's note saying, Hey, you know what? Like you're off. I talked to my doctor's like, yeah, totally. I can understand the stress you're under. No, you're off.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Like another friend of mine that was starting up a startup was you needed someone to design an app. So Darko had one of his buddies, you know, who could you know, who was a whiz at the computers and can design all these apps, reach out to my friend. and was going to invest in his business. Now, my friend never saw the money. This was early on. And so it was the same.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I had a friend of mine, Ken, who was in the car business. So he wanted to import some cars. And Darko was like, oh, I got the guy, my friend Ori. You know what I mean? He's the guy. I'll get Ken in contact with Ori. They can talk, whatever. And he'll take care of them. So as luck would have it, I'm on the phone with Ken, talking to Ken, shooting the shit with him.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And he's like, oh, this is, I think this is your buddy. This is a New York number. I think cause Ori was allegedly from New York.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
and uh i'll put you on mute you just listen to the conversation and i'll talk to this guy so when i'm listening to the conversation i'm like that's darko that's not ori like he was trying to put on like a like an accent like a different accent but like i know the way darko talks right
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
and so after i kind of confront him not confront him and say you know what i was on the conversation with with ken and when he was talking to ori and it sounded like you man like you know like was it you and then like you know maybe if ori was busy or whatever and darko again lost his and he's like you just see you know i'll bring ori over and then julianica comes in and says how dare you question darko
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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That's exactly it. That's exactly. But you multiply that tenfold because not only can you get it, you can't get it done. He's blaming me for, Hey, his aunt dies, allegedly dies. And it's my fault. I mean, because I caused the stress and she was trying to get across the border or something like the stories, like we don't have enough time for, for me to kind of,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So from Monday to Friday, I'm in Toronto with my mom. I have to rent a place there. It is like crazy. Like in the mornings we're going to hyperbaric therapy. They have to go to the wound care center because you know, they're wrapping up her leg and treating her. Then I found this amazing, amazing TCM practitioner. His name was Dr. Chow. He was he passed away, but he was a Qigong master as well.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Listen to what happens. Yeah, that's a good point. So right after I kind of confront Darko about that, the next day, this is July 2017, the next day, Juliana starts texting me. And it's in the morning. I'm working. And she starts texting me. And I'm like, this is strange. I'm like, who is this? And she's like, this is Juliana, duh. I'm like, okay. Well, why are you texting from Darko's phone?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah. You had like, the guy had five phones. Like when they did the warrant at his house and, and the police investigations are like another total different conversation. But so I go over there, I leave work early. I go over there and confront them. And at this time I'm recording everything.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
i confront him and then he starts spinning another story like you can listen if you ever want to listen to you know true crime you can listen to these recordings and he's spinning and he's and my head's spinning because the thing is at that moment like most victims of fraud you want to believe something you want to believe that this 450 000 that you just lost
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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isn't lost but maybe you can get it back yeah i mean this information that i gave juliana and him that were allegedly like from the police computer and stuff uh like records checks and stuff wasn't going to a criminal right because i was like mortified man i was like holy what have i done And so he's like spinning the tail. He's saying, look, you're going to get your money back, all this stuff.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And he's trying to still say that he's being targeted by Fari and that, you know, Juliana. Anyway, I don't, I started not, I'm starting not to believe a word he's saying. and the next day i call my friend jonathan ace and i call tubs and i say look man this is what happened i'm like man you know you guys need to kind of step in and do something because even if like five percent
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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what he's saying is true you guys need to handle it like i can't go to london and tell them because you got to understand that tubbs was telling me before that some of the stuff he was saying was valid you know he's because i'm trying to get them together and and um so at that time he's like okay no problem he goes look i'll take care of it for you um i'm going to investigate it i'll investigate the fraud he goes look
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Try to get some of your money back first because once we get investigated and once we arrest the guy, you're not going to get any of your money. I'm like, look, no problem. This is his name because I ended up finding out what his name was because I eventually forced him to tell me. And I ran the plate on this vehicle. Never did that before.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, Darko Jovanovic.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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But it's crazy, man, because this is a side note. Nobody really knows who this guy is. Because he went to high school in London, came from Ottawa, but he's the totally different name. You know, like when the police did were doing their investigation on him. No, he was Aaron Goldberg, growing up, not Darko Jovanovic. He was registered at schools as Aaron Goldberg.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And his mom was still not a Jovanovic who I ended up finding out was the lady that was with him.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Don't know. Like, nobody really knows. Like, even when he was charged in Windsor, they tried to do a background check. And I think even in court, they said, like, we really don't know who this guy is. Like...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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know and then london tried to do their own background check and uh in the report they were saying like oh you know they they talked to this one school he was at and he was registered as aaron goldberg his mom was not a dravanovich and then his dad was registered as like
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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think hi Goldberg or something he lived in London so the police go to go this this guy's uh I think this guy was a dentist or something and they go to him and they say hey you know like we want to interview about your son Darko Jovanovich or Aaron Goldberg and the guy's like I don't have a son like that I don't know who that guy is and so like in your mind you're like hey you know what
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And the guy was just him and my mom just hit it off. She really like for pain management, everything like she we went there three times a week, and he really, really helped save her life and, and just just a great, great guy. Anyway, so I'm under a lot of stress. So he's actually, I remember him saying, Oh, you know, I know a Jewish doctor in Toronto. Don't worry about it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Like his mom must have like taught him everything she knows or something. Like how do you get there? Like how do you get registered at a school and have a fictitious father from back then? Like I don't understand it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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on his driver's license is Darko Jovanovic. Now, side story to this whole thing is that he like I said, he had police friends prior to getting charged in Windsor. And in the interviews that I read in the police report and disclosure, they all went to Las Vegas and Darko was paying for a lot of things that you're saying so. And I guess at the airport on the way back,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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The one officer saw on his driver's license that it was Darko Jovanovic, not Aaron. I think, I don't, I don't know if he was using Aaron Goldberg at the time, whatever. And then they had like a little joke saying, I think they call him the dark Lord or something like that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And, and the funny thing is, is actually in the, in that report, it's, it says when he interviewed these guys, they thought he was a dentist. Like I said before, but not only that, when he got caught in Windsor, Matt, he had an OPP official Stetson hat that one of these officers gave to him and he was found with it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And then the OPP officer got in shit because you're not supposed to give out, you know, your, your gear to let alone a criminal. Right. Cause they thought maybe he stole it, but the officer's like, no, no, no. I know the guy and I gave it to him. And, um, So like I said, this guy had lots of experience conning people. He just got better and better.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And I think we talked before the show, I think, started. And I was saying that he eventually, if you read the article in the Free Press, he eventually gets on the Twitter. And he's on the Twitter space co-hosting the largest Twitter space with Elon Musk. I think Alex Jones was there.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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uh maro in the fall and he's the co-host and the only reason he got caught was because his ego he wanted a photo of himself on his profile. So he had this photo of him like with the cigarette and it was like really washed out. I think one of the reporters did like a reverse search or something because they really couldn't find much on him.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And then they found the article in the free press, London Free Press, exposing him. And then obviously he's off Twitter. But and then actually, I guess he was pretending to be an ex DOJ attorney.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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and because when he got exposed all these people there's these Twitter spaces and the one reporter from London was on it he calls me up says hey do you want to join the Twitter space um so I go on this Twitter thing I I'm not on X like I had like a pseudo profile when I was a cop because you know like when I was trying to you know search people as a crime analyst so I get on Twitter
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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and I'm talking to these people and these people believed that Darko was an ex-DOJ attorney. Like he was giving them legal advice and solid legal advice. He's on panels with other attorneys and they're believing him. He's given, you know, his insight on what's going on in Israel and Gaza and people are believing him as this like authority, you know? And he actually, there was one story, sorry.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I know you can't get to your doctor because work right now, like I've only been off like two weeks, but they just want me back to work. Give me a doctor wrote a note. So, you know, he's like, don't worry about it. You know, I know you can't get to your doctor. I got a Jewish buddy. You can go see in Toronto.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Yeah, he did. He did some time after the, you got charged in Windsor. I think he did eight months or something.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
So he sets me up with this doctor and I go and see him and say, look, this is a situation, man. Like my head's spinning here. And he's like, writes me a note.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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send it into work you know and like hey man thanks for that you know like you know i i can't i can't get to see my doctor because of uh the situation and then slowly like you know he just does more and more favors and like he's he's you know he's always you know he's just
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I'm as the story goes on and we'll, we'll talk probably more about this, but you know, like he has a dead brother that died in Israel and you know, his mom and him say, oh, you, you remind me so much of him, such a kind man, you know what I mean? Like, so I'm like this replacement in their family of their dead brother and dead son. You know what I mean?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And the thing is, I'm surprised that guy is still alive. Because the thing is, it's one thing to scam the public, but to scam other guys that are in jail with you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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No, no, that's a crazy story, man. That's crazy. So you multiply that guy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So he diagnosed this girl with a brain lesion and then told the family, look, you know, I set up an MRI and treatment for you in Detroit. It costs $58,000. I think it was, you can, I've already paid for it. You can, you can pay me in like, you know,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Like, so he's, you know, it goes on and on, like, you know, it'll take three hours to talk about how he kind of conned me into it, but.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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That's crazy. Wow.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Wow. Even even in jail, he's still on the take, man. He still wanted to.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Wow. But you must, you got really good at doing some legal work too, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
yeah so he's on twitter and the thing is people are believing him and the thing is like i said when one of these twitter spaces people are crying because they they they just don't want to believe it and i've been there and i was on the twitter space i'm like hey you know what this is who i am this is what he did to me i understand it's tough but you know that's just who he is and the reason like i said the reason why he got caught was because his own ego he wanted his photo on twitter
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Like it was, he just, you know, that's part of it. Like he could have probably gone on for another year or two because a lot of people don't have their photos on Twitter and lots of, you know,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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you know that's this is what i hear you know i mean like so for him it's he's just a different cat like i'm sure you if you were to like i said you you talk to the guy you just don't know what is true and what is not i mean like and and the way you twist things and like and and i'll tell you something like he could have been a lawyer he could have been a doctor
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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like one of the guys on the twitter space um i think it's in the article he says like he could have been all the things he wanted to be because he's just he's got this photographic memory and he's smart but the thing is he just he's using it for evil not for good i guess you know what i mean like you know there was a guy by the way so you know these guys that just are like pathological liars there was a guy when i was in the medium so i was in a medium security prison for like three years
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I have to kind of give you a sidebar. So about a year before that, before I went to Toronto to take my mom, I had dated this girl and her name was Claudia and she was a doctor. She lived in near Toronto and we kind of hit it off. So we dated for a few months and her ex was this fireman and her ex was like extremely jealous. They had this little, I think,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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You mean, like, I gotcha.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Gabby was like two years old at the time, their daughter. And they had been separated for, I think, maybe like eight months, a year before we started dating. And so he had got one of his police buddies. He didn't know what I did, but he'd see my car at her house. So he had one of his police buddies drive by and run my plate and get my name and my address and everything.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Well, Darko upped his game because the thing is when I was with him, when I knew him, he actually said that he was a lawyer, that he had gone to law school during the time that we met, some Israeli law school, and he became a lawyer. And that's why I was allowed to send him some of the information, like some of the
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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the records checks and stuff because he's working with Julianna and and actually Julianna would always like say oh Darko's the one that's this great legal mind he should be a lawyer like he's the one who's figuring out all these problems with trying to figure out uh surveillance and where the drug shipments are coming from so you think she's taken in by him too
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And that's why she, I don't know to what extent, like, I think maybe he just kind of, if you want my opinion, I think maybe he just kind of texted her a few times, you know, saying, Hey, thank you for pretending to be me. Thank you for looking into the case or something. Like, I don't, it's weird though. Like, it's just weird. Why do you take an $1,800 gift certificate?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Why don't you get back to me? I'm a police officer. I'm reaching out to you saying, hey, this is what's going on. Farco's played me. He's probably played you. Never heard anything. Like I said, even the cop that interviewed her said, hey, she knew something, but she just thought it was all kind of bizarre. And it is a bizarre story.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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she's embarrassed she doesn't want to say hey yeah i actually thought this 100 like everyone gets embarrassed like i'm i feel like a fool man like you know looking back on the story it's just i feel like a fool like you know i still do something i deal with every day how could i let that happen how can i let this guy destroy my life and the thing is he just the funny thing is just don't care like he doesn't care about you know
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all the money that I gave him. He doesn't care about who life he destroys. In Windsor, he doesn't care that he's telling people they have cancer and they're like,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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exactly you know and people want to believe that's a good point like people want to believe what they want to believe i mean like i believe darko because hey maybe i want to believe it because my experience within the police department just showed me that these guys just didn't care about anything but themselves like i've got friends who were just targeted like i think before the podcast i think when we first talked i spoke to you about my buddy omar
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And so he made this post on something called Cheaterville. And, you know, I didn't even know anything about it. I get a phone call from my friend, like months and months later says, Hey, I was running your name on the computer. Just trying to see if you had Facebook and this cheaterville thing came up and it said something like, Oh, I dated this guy. You know, he dates, he's a police officer.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And, uh, who was, who was targeted and because he's, he was Pakistani and he was, you know, a lot of guys back then, especially when we first came on, like there was a lot of racism internal, like it's institutional. And even our department, like it was known to be this white boys club and they took any opportunity to like, I remember for instance, okay.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I remember this, uh, the Sergeant I had and, you know, I remember walking at a parade one day. And in parade, he was talking about this guy who was coming back to the department. I think he got suspended for something, but he was getting reinstated. It was a black guy named Max. And Max was a really great guy, actually. Great sense of humor. And...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So when I was walking out of the parade, like he was kind of making some, when he was announcing it to the, to the room that, you know, in the briefing that, Hey, Max is coming back. He's kind of making some snide remarks, whatever. But when I'm walking out of the room, he's behind me talking to another senior officer. He says, Hey, I'm going to make sure that put the word in there.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I'm not going to say it doesn't last here. And I'm like in the back of my mind, I'm like, Holy cow. You know what I mean? Like, the hell is he saying i mean like okay like that's weird you know what i mean like i thought you know and this was like when i was first on this maybe on for a year or so anyway with uh with my buddy omar what happened was was that
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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he was visiting a friend of ours was my old high school buddy. He was visiting from Vancouver. So Matt was staying I think at the four point Sheridan or something nice hotel, whatever. So Mars dropping them off and it's like one o'clock in the morning or something. I wasn't there. So Mars leaving the room. And I
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when he's leaving he sees three officers a sergeant cop another cop that's been on maybe a couple years and this rookie and the rookie's dad was the staff sergeant of internal affairs or a psp and um they say oh did you i think they asked him did you hear anything any disturbance somewhere he's like no just dropped off my buddy i'm just going home anyway
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They leave, and I guess the rookie is talking to the clerk at the front desk. And she's saying, oh, well, there's some Lebanese guys that always come in here. They're kind of shady. So he takes it upon himself to run all the people that are staying there. And he sees one guy that's tied to organized crime. And the description that he gets from her doesn't match Omar. And Omar is not... Arabic.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He's, you know, he's Pakistani, totally different culture. Anyway, so he starts he writes this report takes it up to PSP internal affairs. And just so happens that inspector that I just spoke about. He's the inspector of internal affairs now.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And this inspector, who's the sergeant at the time, when he was a staff sergeant, you get away with anything like there was a rumor going around on a side note that he was having an affair with some girl or whatever. He threatened the whole briefing room, like the whole parade is like 1015 officers.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He's date strippers and gave me cold sores. I'm like, okay, well like that didn't happen. So I called the police department. They end up doing an investigation. You know, they find out that the guy did, one of his buddies did run my plate and he did give the information to this guy. But the problem was, is that I couldn't get that information off. I couldn't get the post down.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He says, if I hear any rumors about, you know, me being with this girl, I don't know whether he was having an affair. That's not the point. He goes, I will slit every one of your throats. And had officer buddies who were in that room. And nothing happened to the guy. And the guy kept being promoted and get promoted.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So he's the inspector now of internal affairs, when they get this report on my friend Omar. So, you know, he reads it. And at the time, actually, Omar was just freshly out of the anti-terrorism unit. The anti-terrorism unit was the Joint Task Force, RCMP, OPP, and London. And so he's back on the road, and Omar had to do a lot of undercover work.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And even after, when he was back on the road, they kept calling him back because Omar was, hey, the guy was brilliant. This guy wasn't a friend of mine. This guy was like my brother. We went to high school together, played football together. I'm godfather to his son, one of his sons. And they just kept doing him dirty. So to get back to the story, so they do this huge investigation.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They have OPP spin team looking, following Omar. Nothing's going on. He's just going home, going to work with his kids and going home to his kids, going to work, going to the gym. No. So eventually they called Omar in then this inspector and just wants to take a run at him to see if he can get him to cop to anything.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So Omar's like, hey, you know, I think I'm going to need the union rep or the association rep to be here with me. So he comes back with the association rep and says, look, this is obviously like totally bullshit. And I don't want you guys doing anything. All you have to do, just please counsel this guy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Put something on his record saying, because he's new to the department and he needs to kind of like be careful with what he's doing, what kind of investigations he's opening up, what kind of accusations he's making.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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and they wouldn't do it because they didn't want it probably didn't want anything on this kid's file because his dad was like in internal affairs whatever so omar eventually with dan axford who's the uh association uh administrator at the time the union administrator was sitting there and almost says okay look if you don't we're going to file a grievance blah blah blah so long story short
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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this inspector says to Omar says, Well, if you file this grievance, you're going to win the battle, but you're going to lose the war, which means hey, your career is done. Right? So Omar is like, screw you guys, I'm gonna, I'm gonna file the grievance files the grievance.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He also files a human rights complaint, sues the department because they're not, you know, doing anything, they actually racially profiled him, and they're supporting this. And long story short goes, they end up settling with him. It was in the paper, you can read the newspaper report in the paper and stuff. And they end up selling him with him out of court.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I had hired a lawyer in Toronto and this lawyer was able to get it from the main site, this Cheetorville site. But there's another Korean website at the time that would just copy all the things from like The Dirty and Cheaterville and put it on their website. And so I was talking to my lawyer, I'm like, how do I get this thing down?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And this is my point with that is that whenever something happens at the department, and you know, they racially profile their own officers or somebody else, or they do somebody, they just do whatever they want. Another friend of mine that was charged, these officers are lying on the stand. He was, he was an officer as well. They lie on the stand. The judge says that they're lying on the stand.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And nothing happens to them. Because as long as you're doing the bidding of the administration, you get away with whatever you want. So Omar settles. And I remember having a conversation with him. He's like, Oh, man, we're gonna settle, you know, the chief at the times I shook his hand and said, Oh, that's not gonna affect your career. Don't worry about it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Like, you know, don't listen to what the other inspector said to you. It's not going to affect it. Okay, so Omar, he applies, like a year later, I think, or a year or two later to become a sergeant. And, you know, the process to become a sergeant, They changed it. So there's an exam you write at the police college. There's an application you have to fill out. And then there's the interview.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And the interview is like the smallest part. So Omar probably maxed, I think he got the highest mark at the college on the test. And he probably maxed out on the application because they take into account like, you know, education. Omar had like an honors economics degree. Omar is a very articulate guy, one of the smartest guys I know. uh, new actually.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And, and you know, lateral transfers, what kind of experience do you have? So he goes into the interview and literally he could have probably like shit his pants in there and answer it. Only answer half the questions. He should have been promoted, but he does well on the interview. He thinks, and they don't promote him. And I told him, I said, look, man, they're not gonna promote you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Like they're never, You think that they're not gonna hold this against you. I work with these guys in recruiting. I know how they talk. I know how they, how they take it personally when you stand up to stand up to them. You know what I mean? Like you, I'm like, man, you should have just, you know, maybe settled for, you know, more money or just left policing.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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If your role, if your goal is to become, you know, move up the ranks, cuz it's not gonna happen. Well, fast forward to a few years later, like they put them on the street. Omar's having a good time on the street. Like, you know, he's the guys love him. I mean, like he's very charismatic. Anyway, he goes to this call and I remember I was working at the time as an auditor at the time.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And this is around the time when Darko was, you know, obviously defrauding me, whatever, but I was still working. And I read the call notes of this call and I read his report and the call notes came in. It was multiple calls of some guy standing in the street in front of a coffee shop with a rifle and, and, and army gear pointing this thing around like at people. So Omar says,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He's the first guy on scene. And I know a lot of guys that probably would have driven around the block three times because they're afraid to go to this call, but that's not Omar. Omar, one of the bravest guys I know as well. We worked two sections together on the street, and any guy I want covering my back was him. So he gets there. He's the first guy on the scene.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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He sees the guy who has something that looks like, resembles a rifle, throw it down, and he runs. So Omar chases the guy down. And he, reading his report, he chases him down and he arrests the guy. But the guy's like resisting, right? The guy's not giving up his hand. So it has to be a little bit rough with him. He'd ran to this like a motel or whatever that had video surveillance.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Like, you know, like anybody who knows me knows that that's just a joke, right? You know, they know I don't do that. But I was concerned, you know what I mean? Like, you know, my family or my friends or people that don't know me, maybe I meet a girl and start dating her and she runs my name because everybody does that and sees that, you know, I got to explain myself. So it's embarrassing. So
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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and so he finally cuffs the guy runs the guy finds out that it wasn't a rifle it was like a umbrella that looked like a samurai sword and so he sees that this guy's like got a mental illness he's got a problem so he he takes the guy to the hospital to get checked out he doesn't charge him right and
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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and um they released the guy Omar actually feels bad for him he says look man the guy probably hadn't eaten in days so I gave him 10 bucks to go buy lunch I mean like that's the kind of guy Omar was right and um and I worked the street with him like for a number of years and he's my he's my brother man like the guy had a heart of gold like you needed something he was going to give it to you
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And he wasn't these guys who's going to push people around. Like if you wanted a guy to work with on the street, that was the guy you wanted on your side. So a couple of weeks later, this guy comes in and says that he has a cracked rib. So then the London police started investigating the incident. So they end up charging, long story short, charging Omar with assault bodily harm against this guy.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And in that police, I mean, in the press release, it makes it sound like, because they control the press release.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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It makes it sound like Omar was driving down the road, saw this guy in the street and decided to beat him up.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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and then so omar's like he's like beside himself he's like hey man that's not what happened they end up charging him for uh assault baldy harm before the investigation was even done omar's like well have you looked at the video you know have you have you done that full investigation here so anyway the crown the charges go nowhere
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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The Crown drops the charges and says, this is bullshit kind of thing. But they took any opportunity that they could to make this guy's life a living hell. So he's off on PTSD, actually. And out there, they say one thing. They say, oh, you know what? We want to support our officers who have PTSD. We want to support these guys. Well, he's off on PTSD, and they clean out his locker.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And in the back of his locker, they find, I think, someone's health card or driver's license that he forgot to log in. So they send him a letter right away. And they say, well, we know you're off on PTSD. You have a mental health issue. But when you come back, we're going to investigate you for not logging this property into property control.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And, you know, probably stay in the same the states but up here we have the Police Services Act where it's just for police officers like conduct unbecoming, discreditable conduct, you get charged under this stuff, you lose hours, to the extreme, you can lose your job, right.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So what I can never, you know, really fathom is that, you know, in other cases, and I can, we can talk about this all day, where you have officers lying on the stand, to sink another officer. And you don't do anything about that. But you have a guy who's off on PTSD. And you're going to hammer him and tell him as soon as he comes back to work, you're going to charge him, right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I ended up hiring a lawyer from New York and he had a license in New York and Korea. And, you know, me and this other guy hired him at the same time. We pay him all this money. He's like, look, there's nothing I can do. They won't take it down. They won't even respond to me. There's nothing I can do to even get them to respond to me. So I'm like, okay, whatever.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Getting into it just doesn't make sense. Like even in my case, the guy that from the London police on the London side, he was ex internal affairs, right? He, he worked in internal affairs for a couple years. And then he was assigned to investigate me. Well, in my case, and what really got me in trouble was I wrote this affidavit.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And then that affidavit, I was spelling out the corruption in the police department. And there's three different versions of that. Right. And So when I give Darko, Juliana, I thought the one copy of the affidavit that I signed and Darko had notarized because he said he was a notary as well, of course. So, you know, he kept that and he kept the other two copies as well.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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One was a written copy with like talking about really crazy stuff and not crazy, but really kind of like exposing stuff like, you know, how they covered up for a pedophile that was in the department. They didn't charge the guy. um, talking about, um, ex chief, you know, um, talking about lots of things like that the senior offers are up to. Cause that's, that's what Juliana wanted me to do.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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And she wanted to talk, she wanted me to give it to her from my experience, uh, how like, um, she wanted to prove conspiracy. So she wanted me to talk about how, um, how the, um,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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process the hiring not the hiring process but the promotional process from sergeant and up to chief was skewed and manipulated and it was like you know they just picked the people that they want up there the people that should be chief and deputy chief aren't the people that should end up having the job so in my case this guy gets you know kind of the backtrack a bit but at a certain point when they're investigating me
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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They call the OPP and say, okay, you know, we're investigating one of our own officers. This is what's going on. OPP it's your, your, your investigation. We've got to make sure we, you know, unbiased here. So the OPP are like, okay, well, you know, but they offered that, you know, help out any which way they can. Well, London, never, never. you know, relinquish control of the investigation.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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know every month or something like that right and so he gets convicted he does a little bit of jail time they come in canada they don't give a lot of people i think he did eight months or something and then he was in london now when i met him he introduced himself to me as aaron barack and he said he was an engineer and how i met him was i was selling my car and i live in an okay neighborhood
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Like the London investigator and OPP investigator do everything together. And actually London is actually the department that writes the warrants, executes the warrants, gets all the evidence and examines all the evidence. So like OPP, even the OPP officer in the trial said, hey, you know what? We're co-leads. I wasn't really the lead. Whereas London's like, oh no, we made OPP the lead.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So anyway, Darko when he gets interviewed before they had like, pulled me over to seize my cell phone. Darko when he's interviewed, gives him a copy of this affidavit I wrote, talking about a lot of the corruption, from my view, that was valid, that was really happened. So when Darko gives that over, it gives it to the London police officer. And in my case, he doesn't follow proper procedure.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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I just, you know, I've spent like five, 10 grand on it. I don't care. I'm just going to move on.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
He doesn't, like, log that into property control. He doesn't even log it in his notes right away. He logs it in, like, and this guy is anal. Like, Cam's anal. Like, you read his notes. Everything's in order, right? But when he gets to this affidavit, they both read it, OPP officer and him. But he doesn't log it in to his notes until the end of that day for some strange reason.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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In their meeting, like they have like project meetings. So they're the big project investigating me in that meeting. There was no, nobody talked about the affidavit. Nobody even said, Hey, you know what? Okay. London's co-lead in this investigation. So, um, now that we have this document, we should be completely removed from investigation.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Now we should be OPP only, you know, he's making a lot of allegations in this document. Anyway, that doesn't happen. And to go further when they do the warrant a dark goes residents that the that the London police actually executed OPP weren't even there. They seized an envelope with you know, it said, had my name on it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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anyway when i first meet dark around this time um it's probably i'd find him known for a couple months kind of thing he says oh my aunt was running your name and came up with this post because we can't have that you know i mean like you're not that guy you know we need to i need to take it down for him like hey man i tried and it's it's not going to happen
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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It had very like the officer that seized it and his note says, Oh, there's vast amount of documents in there. Well, I had given Darko three copies, like I said, and the only one copy that was actually logged into property control well after
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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days and days after was the copy that was given to the investigators at the time when darko was interviewed by them because darko had called them knowing that because i found out what had happened so he called them you know volunteering his his statement and worse make matters worse is that they they had seized all these phones he had like five cell phones all this property and rather than
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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log that into property control which is what policy says says by the end of your shift that has to all go into property control this officer keeps it in his office it says he has the only key to the office so it's okay well that's because i used to work headquarters and there's a master key that opens all the doors there's senior officers has key have keys for everything right they can come and go as they please and
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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During that time, where that stuff was in his office, and he made up all these excuses. And this is a guy that used to work in PSP. You know, he doesn't get, you know, he's allowed if he's doing the bidding for the administration, if he's investigating somebody that, you know, that they want targeted, because I, I wrote that. you know, it doesn't matter what you do.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Like you lie in the stand, it doesn't make a difference. No officers, you know, another friend of mine, like I said before, and the worst part about it is, nothing happens to these guys, you know, like they can just they just do what they want to do. And if they want to target you, they're going to target you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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See, what happened was, is like, the reason why I know this, and coming from somebody that was kind of involved in the case, I get a phone call, I get charged Um, in November for breach of trust and.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Correct. Okay. And so I, um, I got charged with breach of trust conspiracy to commit breach of trust where I'm the only person to get charged for conspiracy to commit, which doesn't make sense. And they don't charge Darko for defraud me. And I've got my own theories on that, even though I asked them to like ask them to investigate it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So just before, just after I get charged, I don't have disclosure yet. I don't even know what happened. behind the scenes with Darko and how he had met the investigators and give them a statement, whatever.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So at this point, I get a phone call from my buddy who works at the police station and says, look, dude, the only reason why they're charging you is because you wrote a manifesto and Darko had brought that in to his interview and gave it to them. That's why they're pissed at you. I'm like, what? I go manifesto. I didn't read a manifesto. What the fuck are you talking about?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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Well, a couple of days later, I'm like, Oh, maybe it's that affidavit. So anyway, fast forward, we get disclosure and that's exactly what happened in disclosure. They call it a manifesto and disclosure. Darko is the one that brings it to them and gives it to the investigators. and obviously go straight to the administration. Right?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So around this time, his mom and him start insinuating that he, when he was in Israel, I guess everybody has to go with the army. And they said that he was eventually put into the Mossad for Israeli intelligence.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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So you know, what I'm saying is like, hey, if I was somebody else, I probably wouldn't even got charged. If I didn't write that document. I may have not been charged. Darko may have been the one that was was charged because of that document. And because of what Darko was trying to expose. Most of it was bullshit. Right? they end up charging me and letting him go free.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
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the guilty mind I did have was trying to expose the corruption within the department. And that's the issue. And like anybody that stands up to them, like whether it's Omar or whether it's somebody else, countless number of other people, like you can be a pedophile and they'll cover up for you.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
You can, there's a, there's a, there's a, a guy that, you know, him and his buddy, this one cop and his buddy, this has happened when I just got on the department. him and his buddy have a 17-year-old escort come over, and they sleep with her or whatever. She finds out, I think, the one guy's a cop, and so she makes a complaint.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
So he doesn't get charged criminally, and they opt to just go under the PSA, the Police Services Act, right, to charge him under that. So he doesn't lose his job, though. He gets demoted for a bit. But do you want a guy like that? being a cop in this in the city. And the worst part about this Matt is that his wife was a cop and she was at work at the time when all this happened.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
So like, I don't want to get into like, you know, sounding like I'm, I'm using this as a soundboard to complain about the London police. I'm just saying like policing in general, whether it's an institutional or whether it's, it's the whole justice system is flawed. And I mean, the whole justice system It's not for you or me, man. It's for the people that are involved in that.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
It's for furthering their careers often. You find very few people up at the high ranks that really care. I know a few people, but most of the time, they want more money. They want more power. They want control. They want notoriety. You name it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Yeah, we went to trial. Yeah, that's another story. I don't think we got time to get into it. But yeah, we went to trial and I lose and that's, that's another story. And I don't want to, you know, sound like I'm griping here too much. But yeah, there's a, so I lose at trial, I found the abuse of process motion, meaning that, you know, why
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
are the london police investigating me why is all this evidence going missing part of the evidence that went missing is that on my phone i knew there was all these audio recordings ahead of darko when we got disclosure they weren't there i had to hire an expert the expert kind of uh the computer and expert you know pretty much says that you know
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
why is London doing the examinations of the devices when OPP has a way better facility? And as you go into the case, you see that London vetted all the information I went to OPP. Because during my time with Darko, at one point, Juliana wanted me to take an audio statement from Darko. And so I take the statement and I send it to Juliana, but I have a copy on my phone.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And I actually give it to Asin, my buddy Tubbs there, after I found out that I was defrauded. And when the police actually got a copy from ASIN and submitted it into evidence, those audio recordings weren't there. The recordings of me and him after were there, but not those recordings.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
So they just didn't really care about, they were losing evidence and they didn't really care because, you know, for them, you know, they were just, they just focused on me. And then even with Darko, like if they charged Darko, what happens? Well, the case becomes, why was Darko able to defraud me? Not the case. Oh, you gave it information and you're, you're the bad cop.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And you're the guy who, um, it comes less about the police corruption and it comes all about me giving them information. Like even the reporters, like I sat down with, uh, Dale and Randy and Dale and Randy are great guys. And they wrote a, the, the part about Darko, the article in London Free Press. But even when I talked to them, I was talking about the police corruption and all this stuff.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And I'm like, hey, you know, like, these are the reasons why I got I got defrauded. And this is why I believe the guy. And this is the truth from what I've seen. And Darko obviously just took a little bit of that truth, which he always does, as you probably know, take a little bit of truth, and then you make it into a bigger lie. I mean,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
and they don't really want to touch it like you know um they have they have to have a um certain man of they have to you know have a relationship with the london police because these are the police reporters and randy had written a an article who got shit for it's called we are the cops and it's about an assault sergeant in london
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
who boot stomped this girl in cells and she was like 120 130 pounds or something. And as you read that article, you see that that we talked about before. The sergeants, you know, assaulting this girl who's tied down something like she's, she's handcuffed, tied to a stretcher. And he's, he's, he's boot stomping her. And All the other officers don't write, don't do anything.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
They don't write anything in their report. It's all supportive of the sergeant's account. Well, long story short, in that article, Randy points out that her defense attorney actually says, okay, well, if you're charging, because they end up charging her with assault because she had bit the sergeant while she was getting assaulted. So,
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
the her attorney says look i want a copy of the cell video everything's recorded there i want a copy of the the transport video as well well months and months and months and months go by and he can't get a copy he has to go in front of the judge for like the fifth time And get a copy of the video and the crown says, oh, well, we haven't seen, seen the video. We don't know what's on the video.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Why is this important? Why is this pertinent to the case? Well, because you're charging her for assault police of something to happen in cells, but you won't give us the video that shows. So long story short and what ends up happening is the crown eventually has to concede the video. And in the next court date, the crown says, yeah, I watched the video.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
I think the defense, we're going to withdraw the charges, and I think the defense is going to have a motion. So they end up charging the officer with assault. Right. But that happens all the time. And you know what? I know the officer that was charged.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
know what he's a great guy like he's a good guy but the thing is he had a bad day you know what i mean and it's i'd probably say that i wouldn't i'm surprised that that happened because he doesn't seem like the type of guy that that would do something like that but we all have bad day with bad days we have stress or whatever and you know like i said most of the guys on the street
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
are there to do a job and they want to serve the community. It's just, it's the whole, that whole mindset, right? You know what I mean? Like, you know, you're, you're in this club and you know, you gotta be careful how you act in that club because you can have a good career or you can lose your job or you can have a really bad career. So anyway.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
He disappears. And the thing is, like, this is the funny part, like, you know, he gets charged for all these like minor offenses, like shoplifting and stuff. And he's on conditions. He gets released on conditions. And one of them is to reside. Pardon me?
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
Um, so like, it's a little bit different, like than the States, like we don't usually for like petty crime like that, you don't usually get a big bond or whatever. Like, you know, you may have a, a surety come in and they may say, okay, well we'll release you on like $2,000, uh, bond, but they never take a deposit.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
So when he gets released from all these like petty thefts and stuff, he gets released on conditions like say to reside a certain address, not to commit another offense or depending on.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
what you know what the fence is like if you you know if you got uh charged for a domestic you'd probably be released on conditions not to contact your your uh your wife or your partner or whatever right right so he gets released on conditions to um to reside at a certain address and
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
know he breaches those conditions and usually what happens is once you get once you breach a condition you get arrested right they put a warrant out for you you get arrested and then they make either they hold you in custody or they make the conditions harder well for him they made it easier they just removed that condition and just released him there's a report by an officer well darko goes up and he's been uh given a summons uh to appear in court as a witness in my case
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
he tells the officers like i'm not showing up for that because he even admits he even tells the officer like hey you can you can send me whatever you want i'm not showing up like you know i'm afraid of the police and and i was trying to get this guy on the side like he manipulates everybody but um and you know there's something called a witness warrant if someone tells you that you know they're not going to show up
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
and you've been summoned and you don't honestly believe that they're not going to show up then you can issue a witness warrant for them where they hold the person in custody until you know they give evidence well they didn't really care they didn't they didn't They didn't care about having him come to court. When my trial was going on, he was, I think, in Ottawa or he'd been long gone.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
He got arrested, I think, just before my trial in Ottawa in a stolen vehicle or something. And then he got released from them. And then the worst part about it, Matt, I'll tell you, the day before my trial, I get an email from him.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
and he's trying to say i should read it to you but i don't have in front of me he's trying to say look you know what goes this is a hypothetical movie scenario he's like there was a good cop who got conned by one of the smartest guys in the world kind of thing he says and in this movie
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
good cop gives the criminal fifteen hundred dollars for a written confession and then he gives him another fifteen hundred dollars for a signed confession and then he gives another fifteen hundred dollars for a video confession you know like please you know nobody wants to see you destroy kind of thing well
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
i don't respond to that he's trying to extort me right so we sent my lawyer sends it to the police and says look this is from darko obviously he's trying to well they don't investigate that either and then during the trial actually because there's you know the local reporters are giving out um uh like updates on the trial how's it going and stuff like that but during the trial he sends me a text message
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
yeah so and then I'm like okay whatever like you know I mean sure like you know I at first you know you don't fully believe them but then he's like oh I got a friend who still works intelligence I'm gonna give him a call and he gets the he gets the post taken down I don't know how really yeah it's gone to this day it's gone nice now I think after like you could pay money but at the time there's no way to kind of like you know
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
same, he writes this like poem saying like, you know, Hey, you know, you need to give me money, same kind of thing. Give me all this money and then I'll give you a video confession. Again, giving it to the police and they could care less about that. You know what I mean? Like the guy, the guy was relentless. Like even when I was in my darkest days, he just didn't care.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
He just wanted to see if he can get that last, you know, 1500 bucks from me.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
get in contact with his website and say, okay, well, that's a lie. Like take it down. Like my first lawyer at the cheater really says like, that's total defamation. That's a lie. This is the situation. They took it down right away, but this place, there's no way to get ahold of them. So I don't know how he did it to this day.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
um but anyway so that lends some credibility i mean like hey especially if him and his mom are saying this stuff so then this leads into me meeting allegedly juliana greenspan and juliana greenspan um was a daughter of a well-known lawyer brian greenspan and julianne's a lawyer as well I remember I was in Toronto.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
We just got back from my mom's treatment and running around Toronto all day and the traffic's crazy. And he gives me a call and says, look, I got somebody on the phone for you. I'm like, okay. So it's a three-way phone call. And if you know Darko, Darko always loves to control the conversations. And it's Juliana Greenspan. I thought it was. And she says, we have a conversation.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
She goes, yeah, that's defamation. Let me look into it. We have a nice meeting. And Darko's trying to say, yeah, this guy's not like that. You need to hold that other guy accountable, this Jeff guy, blah, blah, blah. And so she's like, OK, well, send me an email with all the information, and I'll take a look at it.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
He had it already taken down.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
I think shortly around there. could be wrong with that maybe i spoke to her first and then he got it taken down so why are you talking to her you're trying to sue sue these people
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
yeah so she wanted to do make a he wanted to say that we need to sue these people for defamation okay and then you know try to get some money out of them whatever right as you go well um and and the guy just did it you know he just did it to discredit me like you know the uh this jeff guy you know yeah you know anyway um so the next next week i think on the weekend because it's just too busy on the weekend i go home
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
had like an old lexus rx that i needed to kind of sell and and uh so he calls me and says hey look i'm uh i'm an engineer i'm busy i've got my own consulting company um you know i'd like to you know take a look at your car can i come next week and i said yeah no problem you know like just call me back and other people are interested so comes back the week after And calls me up and pulls up.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
get all the information and I email it to her. And I email it to her work email address. It's not like the address he gave me. So I sent it to her work email address. And she responds and says, oh, I'm just on my phone. I can't open up the attachments, but I will when I can.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
And then I think that's probably the last time I really spoke to her because weeks later, I get a text message claiming to be her. And obviously, it's Darko Jovanovic. It's not Juliana Greenspan. And she says, oh, I'm working on your case. Here's my personal cell number. Here's my personal...
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
email address, your friends of Darko, you know, I've known the family forever, you know, from synagogue or whatever, from, you know, the Jewish community, you know, he's such an upstanding citizen, he's selfless, you know what I mean? Like, all these stories about him, right? And even his mom, like, I remember when I met him, like, there's a sidebar here, but
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
he was telling me that, you know, he had no, you know, he's, his wife, you know, left them. And she took all his money, and he's scrounging to get money. And he's trying to pay his bills at the house. And, and mind you, at this time, he lived in a, in a place that's probably like worth almost a million dollars in London, which is pretty, it's very, very nice house.
Matthew Cox | Inside True Crime Podcast
COP SCAMMED FOR $400,000 (How They Did It)
So I had no like, you go to this place, you're like, man, this guy's got some money, right. And so she's telling me all these great things about him. And so I'm like, Okay, great. You know, hey, thanks, you know, then she gets into, okay, well, I'm gonna send a demand letter to this Jeff guy. You know, that's the research, he's got all these properties, we're gonna send a demand letter.